mr. coulson? >> the point was made by number of people, deputy prime minister was asked if it was right to give the job to mr. coulson. i'm made a decision. this man had resigned from the "news of the world" over the hacking scandal because it happened on his watch. hold on. island to the question. he gave the assurance he didn't know about it and i took that decision and it is a judgment i don't hide from and don't run away from and are am totally accountable for it. some people question that judgment on which the deputy prime minister -- that is why i have been so clear this is my decision that i am responsible for end people hold me accountable. i have been utterly frank about 20/20 hindsight or double vision but i don't believe in politicians running away from the decisions they make. i don't do that. >> the prime minister will have little time to consider my question which relates to stopping the scandal to undertake criminal activity. however he has widened the stakes to cover all courses. t

mr. coulson would not have known that mr. wallace had a contract with the metropolitan police. >> by recollection i am right in saying i don't think i ever met mr. coulson at all before that background. >> you met mr. cameron before the prime minister? >> i think that did. >> it is inconceivable mr coulson would not have known one of the people working for you was an ex employee of news of the world. what was he -- he writes for news international. >> a close relationship between mr. coulson and mr. wallace, but i met mr coulson once. i didn't meet them together at all. >> is it conceivable they wouldn't have known about each other's jobs? >> it is inconceivable they wouldn't talk. >> let's move to the contract. >> to say that mr. coulson worked for the prime minister, working for me. >> mr. wallace was not working directly for me. this is a minor part-time role for which i had some advice. >> were you one of the people consulted when mr fedorcio worked with him as a consultant? you have 69 press officers in the metropolitan

mr. coulson.> rose: he said nothing thatwot in the hiring of coulson, even though he had been warned? >> the prime minister clearly attaches a great deal to personal loyalty. as he told the house of commons today, he asked mr. coulson whether there was anything he had to hide, whether there was anything wrong, and mr. coulson has also given evidence before parliament. he's been interviewed by the police. so cameron's comment today, was "wl, if i was in effect lie to, not quite indirectly, there will be grave consequences. then at that moment in future i will offer a profound apology." that's quite a lot in etonian terms, charlie. >> rose: i'm not sure whatetoni. catherine, do you know? >> i've been around enough etians, i'm beginning to learn, partly by bter experience. >> rose: some have speculatedons attracted to mr. coulson he gave from a different kind of background he did, which did not include eaton. >> that's ry much my view, that one of the reasons that andy coulson's disadvantages outweig

mr. coulson. he said that if mr. coulson lighted to him that he would apologize. mr. speaker, that is not good enough. [crowd heckling] it is not about hindsight or whether mr. coulson why did to you, it is the warnings that the prime minister ignored. he was mourned the and he preferred to ignore the warnings. in the country needs the leadership that we need. why does he not do more? apology and provide the full apology now for hiring mr. coulson and bringing him into the heart of downing street. >> prime minister. >> stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories. most of that -- i will try and answer every point. first of all, let me think you about what he said about recording parliament and lord levenson and tehe panel. on most of the other questions, i feel he wrote the questions before he heard. he asked about the issue of bskyb and the cabinet secretary said there was no breach of the ministerial code. you heard the evidence saying there was not one single inappropriate conversation. when it comes to setting up meetings with news corp., i have sat out every morning.

mr. coulson's statements and i'm waiting for a reply. >> the point i'm making -- the point i'm making is simply this, the time that andy coulson spent at number 10 downing street the work he has done for the government no one has made with. as i said, i gave am second chance, after he had resigned from the "news of the world" because of what happened under his watch. no one has raised his conduct at number 10 while he carried out that job. >> thank you, mr. speaker. the prime minister has said that contact with the media will be published since the general election. i have to say i don't think that's good enough. what we said to know is we need to know the context that the government has had for the last 10 years with the media. we need an investigation into home office and what home offices were doing. >> the point i make to the honorable gentleman is this inquiry is specifically looking at the relationship between politicians and the media and indeed at the request of the conduct of both. that conduct can go as far as back as it wants to examine relationships in politics in the media. f

mr. coulson and mr. wallace were different. mr. wallace was never employed to be my personal assistant. i know we are going to this later. he was employed to provide advice -- he would give me some occasional -- that was one of the reasons and it certainly wasn't -- what i was trying to get across was simply this. when mr. coulson resigned, he said he resigned to do the honorable thing if you will be the leader and take responsibility. by definition he associated his name -- i was trying to draw the contrast. i have no reason to doubt mr. wallace's integrity and no reason to link it to hacking and no reason -- in january of 2011 when i saw the name associated trekking together. i meant to impugn the prime minister -- i was trying to give an example that mr. wallace never came into this. >> commenting on your relationship with mr. wallace. will to concentrate on the statement and what the -- >> many of the public feel the positions rarely take responsibility by resigning and having done so, are you concerned that may have been undermined by what is being widely interpreted as a personal

mr. coulson. he was hand strung by a conflict of interest. >> by cameron gave as good as he got. >> is stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories and start rising to the level of events. let us remember during the last parliament reports of the information commissioner ignored. reports of the select committee ignored. the failure of the police investigation ignored. we now know exactly what kpaert was if you like the slumber party and it was the party opposite. >> nbc's martin fletcher has the latest from london. a parliamentary session that be sound more like a service at a baptist church there, martin. >> it was pretty passionate, wasn't it. it duh show how passionate the feelings are in britain. this is a significant time in british parliamentary history. this is pretty unique. the power of the media, the issues of the police, and the relationships with 3 parliament and with the prime minister's office all mixed up, all at issue is how uncomfortable, how cozy is that relationship. that's what's re

mr. coulson. he says if mr. coulson lied to him, he would apologize. mr.that isn't good enough. because people -- people -- it's not about hindsight, mr. speaker. it's not about whether mr. coulson lied to him. it is about all the information and warnings that the prime minister ignored. he was warned. and he preferred to ignore the warnings. >> reporter: ed miliband didn't quite go as far as calling on the prime minister to resign, but he did call on him to say sorry. david cameron, on the other hand, said he had nothing to apologize for. he wanted to give andy coulson a second chance. he believed him when he said he knew nothing about phone hacking. now we know that, well, we don't know for sure what andy coulson knew. he's been arrested. it's all rather embarrassing. the prime minister still sticking to this line, look, he's not been tried and judged yet. let's wait and see what the police find out. >> it is incredible, dan, to watch this all unfold between the hearings yesterday and everything that's happened and all those that have resigned and been a

mr. coulson. all would decline. he was accused of making payments to police.he prime minister did nothing with the information. in may of 2010, he warned the prime minister of bringing him into downing street. he did nothing. on september the fourth 2010, the new york times published an investigation " in most civil -- quoting multiple sources. we know that article is not enough to open their increase. we know it triggers the termination of the metropolitan police. that led to the author. he said it is right that it does not taken up. the question is why. the prime minister was compromised by his relationship. therefore, he cannot be told anything at all about his investigation concerning a member of his own staff. he was struck by conflict of interest. the prime minister should not have had to rely on briefings from his chief of staff. here was a major investigation published by global newspaper about the director of communications. he was not mentioned in the article. what did the prime minister do? he did nothing. the public will rightly have expected very

mr. coulson. he said if mr. coulson lied, he would apologize. that is not good enough. >> it is not about hindsight. it is not about whether he lied to him. it is about all of the information and warnings that the prime minister ignored. he was warned. he preferred to ignore the warnings. >> what people really care about is the appalling revolutions of what has been going on in the newsrooms. the public anger is expressly felt by thousands of hard- working and honest journalists and police officers. for that reason, it is essential that a police investigation should be completed as quickly as possible. the judicial inquiry should get under way and be completed as quickly as possible. can he give absolute assurance that they will be given the priority they should have been given a long time ago? >> will he now say that he accepts that all governments going back for 20 years have been far too close to the media giants in this country? that has to end. that means no more back door visits. >> in all the conversations, was there any mention of the bs

mr. coulson's deputy. when the prime minister hasn't even apologized for the hiring of mr. coulson.we need representative to get to the truth of what happened but the prime minister is hamstrungpy the decisions he made and his refusal to face up to them. >> this afternoon boris johnson said paul stephenson's resignation was the right call but the mayor of london wasn't that helpful to his friend david cameron. >> mr. john son, michael crick, bbc "newsnight". if it was as you say the right call for paul stephenson to resign over the employment of a pr man who had been arrested in the phone-hacking scandal, shouldn't david cameron resign over the employment of a pr man who has been employed in the phone-hacking scandal? >> i'm not here to discuss government appointments. i'm here to talk about events in the metropolitan police service. those questions you must direct to government. i don't think there is recross in this matter actually because after all i'm not aware that number 10 downing street was actually in charge of the investigation into -- >> hang on a moment. the prime minist

mr. coulson lied to him.s about the information and warnings they ignored. >> you are looking at a live shot from parliament. >> incredible. >> an incredible inquiry into david cameron's -- let's continue. we'll comment with tina brown and the panel after. >> a full apology now for hiring mr. coulson and bringing him to the heart of downing street. >> prime minister. >> what i would say to the gentleman is stop hunting feeble conspiracy theories and start rising to the level of events. most of that was just a tissue of totally -- first of all, let me thank him for recalling parliament. i think lord leverson will do a good job. i have to say, on most of the other questions, i feel he wrote the questions before he heard my statement today. he asks, he asks about the issue of -- he asks about the issue of bskyb. they said there was no breach of the code. you heard -- you heard the evidence of rebecca wade saying there was not one single inappropriate conversation. when it comes to setting up meetings with news c

mr. coulson. >> order! order. members shouting out shouldn't be doing so. they must calm themselves. n an even keel. it's better for their health and for the house. >> the prime minister, mr. speaker, was caught in a tragic conflict of loyalty between the bands of integrity people should expect and his personal allegiance to mr. coolson. he made the wrong choice. >> the phone hacking scandal brought down two of the top police officers over allegations the cops took bribes from news of the world executives. the police and parliamentary investigations of all this are ongoing. >> shepard: back here in the u.s., rescue teams searching for three hikers swept over the edge of a raging waterfall and officials believe all of them are dead. happened yesterday afternoon at yosemite national park in california. the hikers ignored the warning signs and crossed the barricade to take pictures of the 300-foot waterfall. he says people were yelling at them get away from the edge when one woman slipped and two others fell in trying to save her and that was that. he kills us there were kids in -- he te

mr. coulson and bringing him into the heart of downing street?re on today's emergency hearing, i'm joined now by itn reporter sally biddulph. how did he do and what's your assessment? were things better or worse after things were done? >> well, rich, the consensus here in the uk is that david cameron actually did pretty well today. it was a difficult session for him in parliament. he was fielding, as you said, a number of questions from very angry mps. he stopped short of giving a full apology for hiring andy coulson to be his head of communications, andy coulson, of course, being the man from the "news of the world," the editor at the time of the phone hacking allegations. the opposition didn't like the fact that he didn't give a full apology for hiring andy coulson, and they accused mr. cameron of a catastrophic lapse in judgment of hiring him and mr. cameron countered by saying if he ever found out andy cowlingson had lied to him and if andy coulson is found guilty of anything to do with the phone hacking allegations, then as prime minister he

mr. coulson's that the phone hacking investigation was an example of illegal activity. >> do you know whatr? i think the public and the victims of this appalling scandal want us to rise above this and deal with the problems that this country faces. [ shouting ] >> mr. ed miliband? >> mr. speaker, he just doesn't get it. [ cheers ] >> he just doesn't get it. >> i'm afraid, mr. speaker, the person who is not getting it is now the leader of the opposition. >> this unfolding firestorm was brought to light recently by hollywood actor hugh grant who secretly taped a former news of the world reporter talking about the unsavory practices he says everyone in his organization condoned and encouraged. here's hugh grant in an awkward picture with the reporter paul mcmullen. i spoke with mcmullen about who knew what. >> were people as high as rupert murdoch complicit in this? would murdoch know about these practices? people under him? >> well, people under him certainly should have done. when rebecca brooks, his right-hand woman in britain was doing my job i was looking at the same books. we were sendi

mr. coulson's assurances that the phone hacking over which he resigned was an isolated example of illegal activity. do you know what, mr. speaker? i think the public and the victims of this appalling scandal want us to rise above this and deal with the problems that this country faces. >> mr. miliband? >> mr. speaker, he just doesn't get it. he just doesn't get it. >> i'm afraid, mr. speaker, the person who is not getting it is now the leader of the opposition. >>> as we mentioned, this unfolding firestorm brought to light by hollywood actor hugh grant, who secretly taped a former "news of the world" reporter talking about the unsa unsavoury practices that he says that everyone is engaged in. i spoke with paul mcmullen about just who knew what in the news corp organization. >>> were people as high, possibly, as rupert murdoch, complicit in any of this? would rupert murdoch know about these sorts of practices? would people under him know about these sorts of practices? >> yeah. well, people under him certainly should have known. i mean, when rebecca brooks, who was his right hand woman in

mr. coulson lied to him. it's about all the information and warnings that the prime minister ignored. >> reporter: labour says the prime minister should have turfed andy coulson out of number ten in september last year when the "new york times" published its report on rampant phone hacking at the news of the world when andy coulson was editor. the "new york times" quoted a former newspaper editor recalling, "dozens if not hundreds of meetings with andy. coulson would ask where a story came from, editors would reply, 'we've pulled the phone records' or 'i've listened to the phone messages.'" >> the public will have rightly the day after the murdochs were asked about meetings with david cameron, labour m.p.s asked repeatedly if he'd talked about the b-sky-b takoever bid in his private meetings with the murdochs and their team. david cameron repeatedly avoided answering the question at all. >> in the course of the past few minutes, the prime minister has been asked a simple question twice and refused to answer i

mr. coulson lied to him. it's about all the warnings that the prime minister ignored. he was warned and he preferred to ignore the warnings. >> i'm joined by richard wolffe and michael gordon and former spokesman for attorney general janet reno during the clinton years. richard, we'll start with you. as you watch what happened this morning, how did prime minister cameron do today? was anything left there that was damaging you thought? >> yes. well, look, he did a pretty good job of sounding contrite and expressing regret as you just heard. but there are two big things. most damaging of all, he was pressed several times on whether he had had any conversations with all of his various contacts and friends at rupert murdoch's company in the u.k. about a $12 billion attempt to buy out the reminder of bskyb, the big broadcaster over there. this was a deal that the british government has quasi-judicial authority to approve or deny. all he could say is he had no inappropriate conversations. he kept using that phrase. frankly, it didn't sound like the members of parliament real

mr. coulson. >> order. order. members shouting out shouldn't be doing so. they must calm themselves.p on an even keel. it's better for their health and for the house. >> of course, i regret and am extremely sorry about the fury it has caused. with 20/20 hindsight and all that has followed i would not have offered him the job and i expect he wouldn't have taken it. >> martin fletcher is live in london. martin, extraordinary. spell binding. those of us who love question time anyway we're in overdrive today. what is the net effect of this now for david cameron politically? >> well, there's been speculation about whether he could survive this. that speculation is probably misplaced. there's no real danger to himself or his government and there's no suggestion that he's been involved in any crime, not yet, anyway. there's a real passionate response to the question who he too close to the executives of news international. in particular the question about the quote you just played about whether he was wrong to hire as his head of communications andy coulson who was a former editor of "the n

coulson. i can stand here and ask questions. i can ask questions -- the know what, mr. speaker? i think the public and the victims of this appalling scandal want us to rise above this and deal with the problems of the country faces. >> mr. speaker, he does -- he just does not get it. i say this to the prime minister. he was warned about the deputy chief prime minister about hiring andy coulson. he has not admitted in the house of commons today that his chief of staff was given complete evidence which contradicted andy coulson's previous account. the prime minister must now published the fullest account of all the information that was provided and what he did and why does warnings went unheeded. he should do -- he should apologize for the catastrophic error of judgment in hiring andy coulson. >> i am afraid, mr. speaker, the person who is not getting it is the leader of the opposition. what the public wants us to do is to address this firestorm. they want us to sort out bad practices of the media. they want us to fix the corruption and the police. they want a proper public inquir

mr. coulson, all were declined. >> but the prime minister insisted that he did everything he could. >> the ininquiry should consider not just the relationship between the press, police and politicians but their individual conduct, too. and we also made clear the inquiry should look not just at the press but at broadcasters and social media if there is any evidence that they' been involved in criminal activities. >>th. >> reporter: but no one is suggesting this is over yet. the police have increased the number of offices on this investigation from 45 to 60 because of the sheer workload they' they're facing. wolf? >> thank very much. we'll stay on top of this story as well. also when we come back, a new attempt to try to deal with security at airports. brian todd has new information and you need to know when we come back. [ male announcer ] introducing the ultimate business phone -- t the motorola expert from sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it lets you access business forms on the go, fire off e-mails with the qwerty k

mr. coulson. >> i don't know about that. if you have knowledge of that... >> i'm sorry. >> well, it seems to me that... >> i don't know what was in the contract. >> we might want to -- go back to that. we might come back -- actually have to come back and talk about that. but it seems odd to me as a layman, that, you know, the 600,000, a million pounds... he had his phone hacked and heenl got 600,000, 500,000, or even 50,000, he got 20,000 and it seems bizarre that somebody can have their phone hacked and get 20,000, and somebody else gets their phone hacked and get $600,000, or a million. and, surely, you can see that the difference most people draw is that one was when was all in open and everybody knew about these things and the other was paid when it was all trying to be kept rather quiet, 600,000. do you not see to most people looking at that, it sort of smells a bit? >> i understand. i understand where you are coming from and i understand how, these are big sums of money we are talking about, 100,000, 200,000, 600,000.

mr. coulson's guilt hasn't been proven so far either. so no, the prime minister his integrity isn't called into any kind of question. when he announced a very strong statement tomorrow and his mps backing him. indeed we've had polling in this country showing the conservatives taking a lead over the labor party. so this isn't stirring the public. >> you were asking the questions when that intruder came in with the shaving foam or the shaving cream and started throwing it at mr. murdoch. what was your reaction? what was it like in that room. >> i was absolutely horrified frankly that the dignity of our witnesses could be compromised in that way. and i think the parliament security authorities will have some very serious questions to answer. i know we're going to be referring it to the speaker. i was absolutely furious because this was a very lengthy, very serious session of parliament with two of the most important media executives in the world in front of us and we were asking very serious questions about phone hacking. and i thought a, t

mr. coulson lied to him. it is about all the information and warnings that the prime minister ignored.and he preferred to ignore the warnings. >> that exchange in today's parliament tritt session followed yesterday's appearance by rupert murdoch. he testified before a parliament tritt committee. the billionaire businessman denied any prior knowledge of phone hacking in his massive media empire. >>> let's go straight to london now as senior international correspondent dan rivers joins us. dan, let's begin with the prime minister. cameron's grilling today. he's accuses of having been a little too cozy with murdoch and his executives. is the prime minister's job on the line here? s>> reporter: i don't think it s at the moment yet. until and unless there are more evidences produced by the opposition labor party that could prove, for example, that david cameron was talking to news international murdoch's company here about the bskyb takeover, something that he should not have been talking to him about. we know he had various conversations with rebekah brooks, the chief executive but we're t

mr. cameron defended hiring andy coulson but he said that in hindsight he would not have made the same choice. this report contains flash photography. >> a french in need -- a friend in need is a friend. they become a massive headache. david cameron has always defended his decision to give andy coulson a second chance. >> with 20/20 hindsight, i would not have offered him the job and i expect he would not have taken it. you don't make decisions in hindsight, you make them in the present. you live and you learn, believe you me, i have led. >> the prime minister said he was extremely sorry. what he -- was he ready to say sorry for hiring him? >> if it turns out that i had been lied to, that would be a moment for a profound apology. >> few expected him to go that far. >> that is not good enough. this is not about hindsight, mr. speaker, it is not about whether mr. colson lied to him, it is about all the information that the prime minister ignored. >> there was questions about the prime minister's other choice of friends. there was many meetings with news international bosses with rebekah brooks

mr. coulson. >> i don't know about that. i don't have knowledge of that. mr.re going on. >> it just seems strange to me that -- >> i don't know what was in the context. >> we might ask you to come back to it. we might ask you to come back with details about that. it it seems odd to me as a lehman th-- layman that 600,000o a million pounds, and andy gray got his phone hacked and didn't get anything. he got 20,000. it seems bizarre that somebody can have their phone hacked and get 20,000, and somebody else gets their phone hacked and they get 600,000 or a million. surely you can see that the difference that most people draw is the one was when it was all out in the open and everybody knew about all of these things, andy gray, and the other one was paid when it was all trying to be kept rather quiet, 600,000. do you not see that to most people looking at that it sort of smells a bit? >> mr. davies, i understand where you're coming from. these are big sums of money we're talking about. 100,000, 200,000, 600,000. that's a lot of money, and you look at that and say

mr. coulson since he was employed by mr. cameron? >> i have that at number 10. >> thank you. >> it was probably relatively early on. number two or three. >> about these matters? >> the counter-terrorism about police reform and all those matters that i ought to be interested in. >> have you spoken with mr. wallis before you did that? >> yes. but not about anything -- [talking over each other] >> the evidence you gave to as you mentioned when you did see the review in 2009 you felt that you were doing the minimum -- you had given the terror alerts at the time. can i ask whether you got that sense from the instructions that came from before? >> can i take you back to the evidence from the exchange? you interrupted my flow. i did start saying there's an element of that. i reiterate the point there has not been any new evidence. if i had seen any during the course, we may have reopened the investigation depending on the level of quality of the packing. doing the minimum has been taken out of context. i did qualify and did it separately. i

mr. coulson. >> i do not know anything about that, if you have any knowledge of that. >> we might come back to that in more detail. 600,000, and gray got his phone hacked and he hasn't even gotten 50,000. it seems bizarre that someone can be hacked and get 600,000 and someone else gets 20,000. one instance was out in the open and everyone knew about this, and the other one was paid when it was trying to be kept rather quiet. in do you not see that to most people looking at it that it smells a bit? >> i understand where you're coming from and i understand. these are big sums of money that we are talking about. 200,000, 600,000. that is a lot of money. why would a company do that? i would as go back to my answer to mr. sanders, just to be precise about the chronology. mr. davis, and would like to answer this question. my understanding is that the 60,000 settlement or judgment in the moseley case, which was after the advice given around the gordon taylor settlement, is an importer chronology. courts and judges have set a different standard here. what we knew, and what i knew at the time, is th

mr. coulson since he was employed by mr. cameron? >> i have that at number 10. >> thank you. >> it was probably relatively early on. number two or three. >> about these matters? >> the counter-terrorism about police reform and all those matters that i ought to be interested in. >> have you spoken with mr. wallis before you did that? >> yes. but not about anything -- [talking over each other] >> the evidence you gave to as you mentioned when you did see the review in 2009 you felt that you were doing the minimum -- you had given the terror alerts at the time. can i ask whether you got that sense from the instructions that came from before? >> can i take you back to the evidence from the exchange? you interrupted my flow. i did start saying there's an element of that. i reiterate the point there has not been any new evidence. if i had seen any during the course, we may have reopened the investigation depending on the level of quality of the packing. doing the minimum has been taken out of context. i did qualify and did it separately. i

mr. coulson and bringing him heart of 10 downing street. >> the talks come one day after the house passedll moves to the senate where it is expected to die a quick death. >>> the fbi arresting 16 alleged computer hackers. most were thought to be part of the group anonymous. that group is the one that claims to have attacked paypal and a number of credit card web sites. >>> over the next decade, more than half of our country's 3.2 million teachers will be retiring. perhaps more disturbing is the number of teachers who are deciding to call it quits even before they hit retirement age. >> we take a closer look at the financial challenge that the nation's teachers face. natasha curry joins us live from atlanta. good to see you. what did you find? >> good morning. you know? we used to think that teachers had it made. week-long breaks and reduced work hours, summers off. well, that's not the case any more. i sat down with an award winning high school teacher in florida. she loves her job and the kids she teaches but struggling to make end's meet and she told us about a tough decision she's had

coulson then joined the staff of david cameron as director of communications. that was when mr. cameron was the leader of the opposition. but coulson stayed on to the job until the start of the year, about five months ago. in the last few minutes, we heard that david cameron, the british treatment, will be holding a press conference at half past the hour, 9:30 british time, 10:30 central european time. we will bring that live to you. the closure of the "news of the world" may feel like the end of an era. but is it really? already we are hearing reports that the murdoch empire is preparing a replacement. dan rivers joins us now from outside the "news of the world" offices in east london. dan, raining heavily there, i can see. but good-bye "news of the world" hello "sun on sunday?" >> the final edition of the "news of the world" is being put together by staff behind me who have been told yesterday that they will be their last edition after 168 years, the world's biggest selling english language newspaper is to fold as everyone here starts to take in the news that this paper is goin

mr. speaker. can the prime minister tell the house whether he had any conversations about phone hacking with abdomeny coulson at the time of his resignation? will he place in tjus >> once the recognized his secretary, as far as the shares are concerned, they might keep it. his life is literally hanging on a thread. he is willing to be kept. >> i understand this. it is not so much about the alleged offense which is very seriously. h everyone knows is a very serious offense. you can understand why the americans feel so strongly about it. the case really now is in front of my friend, the home secretary, who has to consider reported about gary mckenyon's health and well being. it's right that she does that in a proper and sorry to use this word, quasi way. >> they have to make cuts in spending, police service, and withdrawal of legal aid. can you justify the following expenditures? at the beginning of last month, a serviceman from northern ireland asked for a nonurgent pair of boots. 45 pounds. they were dispatched by private courier at the cost of 714 pounds, isn't it time he got a grip of this? >> well, i know

mr. speaker. can the prime minister tell the house whether he had any conversations about phone hacking with abdomeny coulson at the time of his resignation? will he place in the library a log of any meetings and phone calls between him and andy coulson following his resignation? >> as i said, i think perhaps before she wrote her question or had it written -- [laughter] >> of course, i sought assurances from andy coulson. i received assurances. those were assurances that were given. absolutely. those were assurances not just given at the time to me, but also given subsequently to the select committee and to a criminal case under oath. these were repeatedly given. let me say to the avoidance of any doubt, if they turn out not to be true, it's not just that he shouldn't have worked in government, he should face the full force of the law. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister related a different case of hacking, computer hacking gary mckenyon. once they have a legal process to follow, does he share the concern for the constituents nine-year nightmare as he feels his life is literally hanging on a thread, waiting t

coulson. distanceng to put some between his former communications and himself. >> also, top people at the news international empire, including rebecca brooks. she's a former editor of "news of the world." did mr. cameron give a signal about her? >> that's the interesting part of this paris conference -- of this press conference. he did call for her to quit, but he did it in a clever way. said that if he was rupert murdoch, he would have expected her resignation yesterday. he's careful to not get involved in the running of a private company. he was effectively calling for her to go. the only problem for mr. cameron here is that the opposition has been calling for her to go for days. it does make the prime minister look like he is a bit behind the curve. >> mr. camera and talking about changing the political pollster -- mr. cameron was talking about changing the political culture. >> he made it clear that the era of self regulation of the press is coming to an end. the complaint commission is probably -- its days will be numbered, basically. there's an element to the two public increase that looks at press regulation. it's clear that something big will have to change. >> thank you very much for

waiting till you are unemployed. >> i have no knowledge of andy coulson wages after he left. >> are you familiar with the term willful blindness? >> mr. sanders, do you care to elaborate? >> it is a legal term that states that could that could have happened should have had the responsible >> mr. sanders, do you have a question to >> i'm not aware of that particular phase. [inaudible] >> we were not ever guilty of that. >> thank you. >> i'm not sure you have knowledge -- the chairman said that we had our inquiry in 2009, the evidence continues international executives was rather hopeless really. they came at the game plan. the game plan was to tell the tellers they didn't know anything. they couldn't remember anything and they didn't know anybody who would know anything. and i want to get off on a reasonable footing of who has advised you and how to handle the session and with her advice was? >> with respect today after scheduling this disappearance, we check -- we took some advice or a what the context of this evening. it's my first time in my fathers first time in a committee like this, mostly logistics and sober court of questions

coulson was arrested the week before. a similarity hinted that but it sir paul in his resignation statement. mr. cameron tried to tackle the. >> i would say that the situation in the metropolitan police service is quite different to the situation in government, not least because of the issues that the metropolitan police are looking at and have a direct bearing on public confidence into the police inquiry coming into the "news of the world," and into the government. for my part, i would say we've taken very decisive action. >> but ed miller band -- ed milliband was determined to play at the association. >> stephenson has resigned, but the prime minister has not even apologize for the hiring themr. coulson. we need leadership to get to the truth of what happened. the prime minister has been hamstrung by the decisions made and his refusal to face up to them. >> boris johnson said stephenson's resignation was what was called for. he was now that helpful to his friend david cameron. >> if it was the right call for stephenson to resign over the employment of a pr man, should david cameron not be resi