mr. crippen: that is about all i have. mr. meyer: we all think, but our college we were with we think we we wereur colleagues with think we can all do our jobs. if we play to the right policy, we get the right number of votes. ms. hemmer: those are the internal relationships. what about the external relationships you have to navigate in each of those roles, whether the press, whether it is the public, whether it is congress? what were the challenges or the experiences you had trying to navigate those relationships, the person in the white house was reaching out to these other stakeholders? the legislative front, one of the things you have to get right is how you are going to manage the outreach to the hill. you need ae ideal is person who is the head of legislative affairs to be managing that. that does not mean legislative affairs is the only ones who can talk to the hill. every administration has their horror stories. i can remember, by the time i was in the bush white house, that had gotten worked out. bolten, but heh was r