mr. crocker, so much of the attention has been on what if there is no indictment. it occurs to me there could be a police morale issue if there is an indictment. what concerns you from a police officer's perspective? >> that's right, mike. it's something that we thought about. that would send a pretty tremendous message to our officers that are faced with these life and death situations across our country and especially here in st. louis

mr. crocker, so much of the attention has been on what if there is no indictment.occurs to me there could be a police morale issue if there is an indictment. what concerns you from a police officer's perspective? >> that's right, mike. it's something that we thought about. that would send a pretty tremendous message to our officers that are faced with these life and death situations across our country and especially here in st. louis where i'm most concerned about deadly force involving a police officer and someone from the public. so, what could that cause an officer to hesitate, could that cause an officer to not react as fast as they normally would because of the hesitation involved, possibly from an indictment of officer wilson? sure, that's on our mind and that's something that we try to engage in a dialogue with our officers about. >> the associated press is reporting that st. louis county has spent $100,000 on riot gear. do you worry that the militarization of the police meaning this effort to keep them safe, actually has the opposite effect and brings out t

mr. crocker. do you worry about the ability to keep businesses safe where now there's this discussion of a protest against businesses? >> well, you know, i've heard about the protests against businesses, and certainly we don't -- we're going to do everything within our power. we have a unified command. our chief, john belmar, has assured a lot of local businesses and business leaders and community leaders we're going to do everything within our power to protect those businesses. you know, we understand that this is a very high level of frustration for people out there. but we need to protect our businesses, and we need to protect the public. and also, protesters. i mean, it's a very dynamic situation that we're in out there. and it's a tough job. and our officers are ready to do the best they can. >> gabe crocker, thank you and good luck to you. >> thanks, michael. >>> just ahead, immigration reform is heating up. the president says he's going to do it, with or without republicans. they're fightin

mr. hadley. all of them strongly disagree with every one of your assertions here. particularly about the american power and influence throughout the world. including, the fact they said, again, includes ryan crocker, have all said the administration could've succeeded in keeping u.s. troops in iraq after 2011 if it had been more creative and determined. you and i had that discussion in my office. and you made some assertions, which are just patently false, which is very disappointing to me. in march 2012, you said and i quote, what's beyond debate is that iraq today is less violent, more democratic and more prosperous than -- and the united states more deeply engaged there than any time in recent history. >> i vehemently disagreed with that at the time. so did the rest of us. will you admit you were wrong in that assessment? >> senator, at the time. >> yes or no, will you admit you were wrong? >> at the time, i stand behind the words i said at the time. i think they accurately reflected -- >> even though we knew, we knew that if all the troops were going to be removed that the ensuing situation would evolved and predicted it. and you were celebrating the fact that we had no more troops left in ir

mr. hadley. all of them strongly disagree with every one of your assertions here. particularly about the american power and influence throughout the world. including, the fact they said, again, includes ryan crocker, have all said the administration could've succeeded in keeping u.s. troops in iraq after 2011 if it had been more creative and determined. you and i had that discussion in my office. and you made some assertions, which are just patently false, which is very disappointing to me. in march 2012, you said and i quote, what's beyond debate is that iraq today is less violent, more democratic and more prosperous than -- and the united states more deeply engaged there than any time in recent history. >> i vehemently disagreed with that at the time. so did the rest of us. will you admit you were wrong in that assessment? >> senator, at the time. >> yes or no, will you admit you were wrong? >> at the time, i stand behind the words i said at the time. i think they accurately reflected -- >> even though we knew, we knew that if all the troops were going to be removed that the ensuing situation would evolved and predicted it. and you were celebrating the fact that we had no more troops left in ir