. >> o'donnell: mr. crump it was extraordinary to see the grand jury in action and what happened afterwards. release of thousands of pages of documents and evidence from that grand jury, if you look at the front pages of the "new york times" today and the "washington post" today, they did analysis of all those thousands of pages of documents and they put together questions about whether michael brown was charging the officer or whether he was giving up and surrendering. have you seen these documents. what does the family think happened on august 9 this? >> they think the child was running from the police and they thought that he was giving up. when they look at released documents, shows you just how partial this prosecutor's office was. look at the way they question the people who came out and said that michael brown -- it was the police officers fault compared to the people who supported the police officer and especially the shooter, darren wilson. they never cross examined him. this killer of unarmed person

mr. crump. first of thought thanks for being on al jazerra america.t's your reaction to the governor's announcement today, the sen sham state of emergency, what does it mean to you? >> i think as we have said all along that how enforcement will hopefully do their jobs in a professional sway and have civility. michael brown's parents have asked everybody that comes to missouri to protest that they do so in a peaceful, nonviolent way to express their first amendment constitutional rights to free speech. as long as we have the people who are exercising their free speech acting appropriately. we don't expect the police to act inappropriately because because before they said it was the protesters causing the problems. but we caught on camera several law enforcement officers doing innininappropriate things. >> last week a pathologist hired by the brown family testified to the grand jury, i wonder if you can give us any indications that that pathologist received about whether or not the grand jury has cool to an end. what is your take on the fining of all of

but to hear their attorney, mr. crumpatory terms, i think i counted him calling darren wilson a killer six times. that doesn't contribute to the peace that the brown family and others are calling for. >> you think mr. crump is contributing to the problem out there by using the word killer out there. he did kill this teenager, right? >> yeah, i think putting it in those terms and he's not a killer if -- he's at least not a murderer in the eyes of the law if he's not indicted. i think that using that inflammatory language out of one side of your mouth and then saying you're hoping for peaceful demonstrations out of the other is a bit disingenuous. >> we're showing live pictures on the left part of the screen. this is where the incident occurred, where michael brown was shot by the police officer, darren wilson. you see what's going on over there right now. once again, a decision has been reached by the grand jury. we don't know somewhat that decision is, but we expect an announcement fairly soon. the legal team that darren

. >> now the attorney for michael brown's family, good to have you with us, mr. crump. the governor of missouri as we just reported, activating the national guard. the grand jury has not announced whether it will charge darren will. is the governor rate to be afraid of surveillance or is he way out of bounds here? >> well, michael brown's parents have asked that everybody had a supports them, who are exercising their first amendment rights to free speech, do so in a nonviolent, peaceful, constructive way. and they have confidence in the people of ferguson. they're good people. and all the people coming out of town, we want to say, we want you to govern yourselves accordingly like the people of ferguson. but also, law enforcement need to also not be aggressive. because this is not just what the people in spofrt making brown did. this is also inappropriate acts on behalf of the law enforcement as well. >> and mr. crump, in the george zimmerman case, of course you faced off against mark o'marra. and i want to slayer with you what he had to same he said the criminal justice

good morning, mr. crumporning, alisyn. >> let's start with that audio tape what did you learn from the police dispatcher? >> el wiell, clearly it's demonstrated the initial recount of the police officer and michael brown, jr., had nothing to do with the fwhnd that happened at the convenience store. when you listen to the remainder of it, there is nothing to establish any action he had between michael brown, jr. related back to the first-hand at the convenience store. >> let me clarify that, first he encounters michael brown and dorian johnson. he tells him to move over. he has that initial encounter. then he hears or realizes if they match the description of that robbery from the convenience store. he then calls in for backup. >> well, that's not demonstrators on the audio. he would have sent certain signals on the bliss dispatch that he didn't say him when we listen to this audio, where is he relating it back to the incident at the convenience store? they claim there is some missing audio that wasn't record

thank you, mr. crump, for spending a little time with us this morning. we saw the reaction that michael brown's mother had after learning of the grand jury's decision. you were the one who delivered the news to her shortly before it became public. can you share any more details with us? >> yes, ma'am. we had just prayed, robin. and then we -- took the phone call, attorney gray called me. and she really had faith that the system would work for her child. so she was just completely devastated. she was overwhelmed with emotion and heartbroken that the system did not work equally for her child. >> mr. crump, after the grand jury's decision, officer wilson's defense team said in part law enforcement personnel must frequently make split-second and difficult decisions. officer wilson followed his training and followed the law. what is your reaction to that statement? >> nobody is ever held accountable. we have to change the system. the souls of thousands of young african-americans cry out from the grave that we have to change this system. it is imperative that

. >> mr. crump, after the grand jury's decision, officer wilson's defense team said in part law enforcement personnel must frequently make split-second and difficult decisions. officer wilson followed his training and follow theed the law. what is your reaction to that statement? >> nobody is ever held accountable. we have to change the system. the souls of thousands of young african-americans that we have to change this system. it is imperative that we have to make positive change here or this is going to continue to play out over and over again. >> when you say change the system, what exactly do you mean? >> robin, michael brown's parents really want his death to be a catalyst for change to change this system. a system where the local prosecutor who has a symbiotic relationship with the local police department and the local police officers who kill young people of color have to sit in judgment whether to indict them or not. well, they have no relationship and no regards for the young people of col

lou: mr. crumpve got great respect for you as an officer of the court, as an attorney, and i understand the grief and the pain of this family. but the reality is the grand jury's the only one in the possession of facts. what one believes, what one feels, all of that, our entire legal system is meant the move to the side -- to move to the side and put justice forward. there is in a bit of a wink and a nod, it seems, from certain quarters suggesting we'll talk about peace, we'll talk about not creating any violent action. but, again, a wink and a nod. a dog whistle, if you prefer in all of this. do we sincerely believe the president of the united states will step forward and say we don't want to see any kind of nonsense, any kind of violence in ferguson, missouri, that we truly believe in this system of law and that we are going to give it a chance to operate? because what we're seeing here is a city it seems, at least a good part of it, preparing for a fuselage from activists in the city. >> well, ju

we'll hear what mr. crump has to say. but, again, it's a situation that's not going to be explained away. it is what it is. but the situation is also much bigger and the brown family outrage is here. we'll check back in with you, don, when that press conference starts. give us a hint so we can get in there early. right now, let's use the opportunity to take a break. when we come back, we'll get you that word from the brown family and take on the issues of why the grand jury decided what it did. we have the record now. we have the testimony specifically of officer darren wilson, probably loomed largest. what's next for him and what's next for this community? what are we looking at tonight? stay with us. ugh... ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief. two weeks later. look, credit karma-- are you talking to websites ag

i heard the family and mr. crumpttorney for the family earlier calling for peaceful demonstrations, and hopefully people listen to them. >> bernard kerik, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, ma'am. >>> and coming up next hour, we're going to talk to missouri state senator maria schapel-nadal and the effect it's having on business owner there is. an important message for americans eligible for medicare. the annual enrollment period is now open. now is the time to find the coverage that's right for you ...at the right price. the way to do that is to explore your options. you can spend hours doing that yourself ... or you can call healthmarkets ... and let us do the legwork for you - with no cost or obligation. we'll search a variety of plans from nationally recognized companies to find the coverage that's the best fit for you ... at a price that fits your budget. and we'll do it at no charge to you. you can talk to us over the phone ... or meet with a local licensed representative in person. why pay a penny

. >> mr. crump, everyone is waiting for the grand jury results to come down. i'm sure no one wants to know that more than michael brown's parents. have you talked to them tonight? how are they doing? >> as you can imagine, anderson, it's very emotional. his parents continue to ask people to be peaceful. they want them to try to remember we're talking about their child and nobody could be more frustrated than them. it's an emotional roller coaster as they are waiting to hear the decision. >> do you know if the grand jury will continue to meet throughout the weekend? >> normally, anderson, that's a choice left up to the jury. the court officials would ask them if they want to work through the weekend or come back at the beginning of the week. >> okay. do you know where the family plans on being when the decision is announced? will they be in ferguson? >> they plan on being in ferguson at their homes. >> do you know, will their family will getting advance notice of what the outcome is? >> yes, sir. the prosecutor's office said they will give notice to the family

. >> mr. crumpo, the hulk hogan 5-year-old boy analogy, you had taken a lot of umbrage at. >> when you look at this process, this grand jury proceeding, they allowed him to come and talk for four hours and they never asked him a tough question. they never cross examined him. it was just glaring analogies. like the hulk hogan analogy to the 5-year-old boy analogy. him being 5 years old. when you look at i, in fact, he was 6'4". almost 220 pounds. and michael brown was 6'6", 290 pounds. so they were both big. and so when he says, he beat him up, he hit him so hard. you're looking and saying, where are the hulk hogan punches at? he just has blush on his cheeks. why didn't the prosecutor cross examine him on that? why didn't the prosecutor cross examine that he told the detective one thing august 9th and says something totally different when he got to the grand jury? what they wanted was due process for their child, nothing more, nothing less. and they did not get it in this grand jury proceeding. >> at

parks and also mr. crump. so, there we go. the family has notice. >> family has officially been notified and the grand jury has been released. they have been sent home. their work is done. plans are in place now, we're told that there's going be a 4:00 notice to the media of what is to come. we don't know -- we don't expect actually at 4:00 p.m. that we'll know what exactly that decision is, don, but we'll at least know officially they are planning -- the plan now is in process for them to make this official notification. obviously, then, obviously the public reaction will begin. >> and the public reaction is everyone has been urging, i'm sorry i had to cut it off. i had to get to the top of the hour and get the breaking news in. from the white house on down, everyone urging calm in this particular situation. the governor here urging calm. you were with michael brown's father as he was doing, shooting a public service announcement urging calm regardless what the announcement is, what the decision is. >> he was very emotional a

mr. crump, i very much appreciate you joining us tonight. i know it's been quite a day and your day certainly is not over by any means, sir. >> thank you so much. >> and griff jenkins is also live in ferguson. griff, what is going on where you are? >> hi, greta. we are at the ferguson police department. and tensions are rising. here you can see across the street a couple of hundred protesters. their signs say justice for mike brown. indict now. i talked to some of this crowd. we're still just under two hours away from this decision coming out. and, yet, they are going to be out here, regardless. can you see they are sort of halfway into the street. we have seen in recent days some of the protesters not quite this large. this is the largest. them coming out and blocking the street. if we look over here. can you see some the press here and the police not having a huge show of force right now. they have barricades. this is a police department over here. now, when you talk to these protest errors -- protesters over here. they tell you this is pa

. >> mr. crump said, just for accuracy, that he was told that there would be a federal victims advocate that the family wanted, not one from the state. is that your understanding as well? >> it is and that's also what happened, in part, in the zimmerman case as well. they focused more on the doj involvement. as long as mccullough made the inquiry if they want to use the federal facilities and resources, that's great. they need to have somebody telling them what's going on in the prosecution's side. >> sonny, the prosecutor said this grand jury would be presented with every witness, every bit of evidence. are victims' parents ever called as grand jury witnesses? if they're not eyewitnesses to something. >> you know, not generally. if they're not eyewitnesses and they can't necessarily help the grand jury reach a determination, no, they're not you called. but what it still remains unusual in my mind, anderson, the prosecutor's office has not met with the brown family, has not given the brown family an

own reporter is there on the scene covering this story, and he will give us more insight into what mr. crumpto say and the latest in what's going on in ferguson. it's a story we're going to be covering closely, obviously, as we wait for this grand jury decision. ♪ ♪ eric: meanwhile, martha, new details on a growing threat against radical islamic terrorists of eye us. u.s. officials confirming to fox news that airstrikes have not reduced that flow of foreign fighters who continue to stream across the border into syria and iraq to help isis. they say as many as 1,000 insurgents a month continue to pour into the region. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live in washington with the details. hi, catherine. >> reporter: thank you, eric. just two hours from now we're expecting to hear from the attorney general, and this will be the first time we've heard from him on the foreign fighter issue since confirming the air campaign has not decreased the slow of recruits with projections now of 16,000 foreign fighters in syria and iraq by the end of the year. attorney general holder is no

mr. crump, thank you very much for joining us. known pathologist will be testifying before the grand jury tomorrow. can you share with us what he plans to say? >> he's going to testify consistent with his autopsy report, wolf. we believe it will be very inciteful, because michael brown's parents have always wanted an independent outside person not associated with the local police department to be able to give unbiased testimony. >> what does it say to you that he was invited to testify before the st. louis county prosecuting attorney, how important will this testimony be? it's sort of unusual decision, wasn't it, by the prosecuting attorney? >> well, everything about this is unusual. we're not sure how it came to be. we understood that there was a member of the grand jury that may have asked to hear from the family pathologist, which makes us think somebody on that jury wants to know what really happened and they eastern nare accept the police version. we also think that the doctor needs to get all the information. he requested a

obviously this is a very tough time, mr. crump, for the family. anytime around the holidays, i think, when you've lost a loved one, it is especially tough. and we certainly saw the photo of the empty chair that his family left for michael. how are they doing? >> they're doing the best they can. they had to explain to their children, his brothers and sisters, why the empty chair was there and why michael wasn't coming back. so obviously it's very emotional for them. >> yeah. and certainly expected for it to be as they honor him at the thanksgiving table. i'm sure you've heard darren wilson's attorneys, they said he's never going to police again. at first it seemed like maybe he wanted to and they told him that if he did, he would essentially be executed. he's decided not to. what's your reaction to that? >> well, i'm still trying to get through the testimony at the grand jury where he characterized michael brown -- that he had an aggressive look in his eye and that the community is a place that the police officers all hated. so we're saying, if you

. >> what will you do here, mr. crump, if it comes down that there is no indictment?to be heartbroken. make no mistake about it. they sincerely want the killer of their child held accountable. but they're going to try to look for positive solutions to change things so this doesn't happen to anybody else's child like the proposal for the michael brown law, video, body cameras for all police officers so things will be transparent, richard. >> will you file a civil lawsuit? >> more than likely, they're going to explore every legal avenue possible to them to get full justice for their child. >> what do you think they will want if they do come forward with this lawsuit? >> justice. what any other parent in america will want. people keep saying things as if -- they are simple, regular american people who want for their family, whatever you want for your family, anybody who else has children. it's a burden for parents of color to have to worry about if the people are supposed to protect and serve them are going to kill their children. >> our reporter there, you know him well

. >> one thing that robert mccullough, al sharpton and ben crump all agree on, this grand jury process was unusual. mrme 70 hours of testimony. mccullough said that he did this in the interest of having fairness, transparency. then, he went a step further and took the unusual step of releasing all the documents or many of the documents and transcripts of testimony that the grand jury considered. so he said he did this in the interest of fairness. his critics are saying he did it in an attempt to twist the process. there is, perhaps, another legal fight to be had here. i also want to say that i don't think anybody here. many people here are surprised by the outcome of this. i don't think anyone, many people thought that officer darren wilson was going to be indicted in this process. mccullough basically said that the witnesses were inconsistent. the key, one of the key issues was, did michael brown, have his hands up at some point in this altercation trying to surrender? that's what people took to the streets arguing and mccullough's conclusion was that there were witnesses who said he had his hands to