mr. d'souza, this has to do with the media. the first will always focus on tosia and trump, at least 15 20 minutes. you mentioned that you would never be invited on msnbc or cnn because they know your political background. the media in america has so much power and influence. how will you break it? i know you said you would try to get your own movies, but how can america take back the most states, thef the media, and make it unbiased and straightforward presentation of information? host: the last minute. guest: the nazis had a term that meant coordination. what they try to do was bring the cultural institutions of society, the universities, the media, the filmmaking industry, into harmony with the nazi ideology. i think we have political correctness. it is enforced with ruthless intensity. there is a group in hollywood that are 2000 conservatives that meet in secret. people actually wear disguises. if it were known, they would .ever work in that town in a way i'm not so scared of the sons of berkeley on the street, i am more sc

mr. d'souza you write in your book that if you run a platform without knowing its source you could easily be forgiven for thinking you are reading a 2016 platform of the democratic party >> guest: the nazis had an official platform i believe with 25 points to it and if you go down the list you basically realize they want minimum wage. they want to have a national health care system. as you read down you begin to realize wait a minute, this runs against everything i have been taught. this has been an idea since world war ii. fascism is somehow a right-wing phenomenon and hitler was a right-winger but when you read it to its in its collectivism. this bears an eerie resemblance to socialism and if not the ingredients of obama certainly the ingredients of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders in that wing of the denmark had a party. >> host: the definitions of fascism, socialism, marxism, and how close are those philosophies? >> guest: socialism refers to the workers owning the means of production. later communism talked about the states owning the means of production. fascism is very similar.

mr. d'souza especially with donald trump's words and going to enter jackson and with that propaganda the there is so much going on fro with this administration advocating the police brutality. so how are you going to tackle that? or of those organizations of black lives matter?. >>>> that quickie answer to the second question like move:and black lives matter reconsider them friends andm sometimes you will see themam ca amplify that color change so we don't believe we can solve these on their own but your point of solving these sin wide range issues coming at us coming from the administration like we try to go one by one and in terms of our power or what we do to get donald trumpm for jeff sessions? we have to build long-term political power right now working bui around the country to get people look engaged in thatict attorney races should be the first line against jeff sessions and the doj. right now nearly 85% that those most powerful actors around criminal-justice is working actively to do that. and then starting to change the landscape but then the a second thing on affirmative-actio

mr. d'souza, you are, your polemic is a bridge too far. we have to go back to andrew jackson.n. obviously mr. trump has been, you know, friendly with americae nazis, with the kkk, doesn't know david duke but he is, you know, somehow, you know, unaware of other trends in our society and what have you. i just, i think you have to recognize that you know, you know, he, in all of his dealings with, you know, historically, i mean he doesn't pay his subcontractors. he doesn't, he, he didn't recognize certain, certain realities that you know, there is nothing there with russia. well, let us see if there is is anything there with russia. you have paul manafort. you have all of these individuals who are, who arethei lobbyists. you had flynn an unannouncedded lobbiest for turkey.nc all of these people that served on his, in his cabinet are essentially billionaires and millionaires who have absolutely no, no experience in any of the areas that, i think mr. perry, when he was energy, when he was, when he was nominated for the energy secretary didn't even know he was responsible for sece nuc

mr. d'souza after careful decision making way he handled this situation..he the first caller you hadday today was a democrat and he i immediately came out with every side ofout to date paid 92 say something about his eastern indian heritage not to be a military that is typical tactics this has to do it with cbs news to focus on russia and trumpet you mentioned about the media you will never be invited on msnbc for cnn so the media has a much power and influence. how can america take that and make it reasonably unbiased a straightforward presentation of information information?. >> there was a term meansrdin coordination. and of those portions of society into harmony independent it is a forced with ruthless intensity. there are 2,000 because of the views were told they would never kno work again in that town. so they are still much more scared of those studio bosses. >> because of technology today in that would bypass the media.t to only have 30 friends on facebook so there are a countervailing forces. >> "the big lie" exposing the nazi roots of the american left" author dinesh d'souza thanks

mr. d'souza who made concessions to donald words and behavior down to him going to andrew jackson's hoodwinked byeing the propaganda there and calling democrat when we know in those times, democrats were republicans. anyway, my -- there is so much going on under this from affirmative action, fraudulent voter fraud advocating trump's of police brutality, redlining redistricting and all of that. one, how are you guys at color tackle all ofg to that and two, do you work with organizations like black org? matter or move on dot guest: so the quick answer to he second question is we absolutely work very closely with groups like moveon.org, and black lives matter, we consider them friends, leaders of the rganizations are personal friends of mine and we work very closely. them amplifying color of change campaigns, and we don't k together, believe we can solve the problems on our own. the first question, to your about solving wide range of issues that are coming at us, feels like every single day there is a new issue coming from it can nistration and almost feel like whack-a-mole, by one by oing one on

mr. dinesh? you do the same thing. host: that is your point, let's let dinesh d'souza respond. example of howan our political debate tends to break down a little bit. i wrote about obama and made a movie about obama. the movie i went to hawaii, kenya, indonesia. i was at the obama family compound, i interviewed obama's brother. i wanted to expose that obama was not a traditional civil rights guy. his perspective was anti-colonial, shaped by an international view of the world. this is in obama's own book. there was a hypocrisy to obama. he was demanding of americans we make sacrifices for each other. i said, here is obama's own rather living in a slum in nairobi. living in a hut where you stretch your arms and you touch the walls. there is something odd chanting "we are our brother's keeper" and here is his own brother and he hasn't helped him. obama and trump are opposites pursuing a different agenda. host: you said playing the nazi card stems from the election of donald trump. rump and not be a fascist? what tips it into nazism? or fascism? dinesh: i am talking about the guys