mr. dalrymple, you have only implemented about 50? 70 remain un -- you know, you haven't dealt with, haven't implemented? >> we have unimplemented or partially addressed actions without -- without question. >> mr. dodaro, how many have they put in place? >> there's still about 63% that need to be implemented. >> so less than half. they've implemented less than half to deal with this huge tax gap. changing subjects somewhat, so you are in charge of enforcement. do you know anything, mr. dalrymple, about the sting ray technology? >> i know about the -- i know the technology exists. i know that we have employed it in certain circumstances. >> how many times has the irs used this technology that mimics a cellphone tower, grabs up everyone in that particular areas's cellphone data and gives the irs, the same irs that rgt at thatted people, access to people in that geographic location the irs knows where they're at and their cell number and cell information? how many times has the irs used that technology? >> i would have to come back with t

mr. dalrymple who frankly couldn't answer many of them, but said he would get back to uses but one thing he offered to the committee, he believes 37 times this technology, without a probable cause warrant, was used on american taxpayers. >> by the irs. >> by the irs, yeah. good point. there are other agencies using it too, i believe without fourth amendment probable cause type of warrants. and that the irs is currently in the process of purchasing an additional sting ray unit, additional technology at cost of several hundred thousand dollars. would you believe, do you believe that's in the best interests of taxpayers? >> i don't know that i have enough information to answer that question. i need to know who is going to use it and what are the protections for using it. and, i don't have the knowledge

mr. john dalrymple from the irs at the united states department of treasury, mr. tillitson from the united states department of defense and dr. patrick conway. you've got a title here. acting principal deputy administrator, deputy chief administrator for innovation equality and chief medical officer at the centers for medicare and medicaid services at the united states department of health and human services. i thank you again for your good work and for being here. pursuant committee rules all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. those on the panels and those that accompany, if you rise and raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. you may be seated. let the record reflect all witnesses answered in the affirmative. we would ask the four panelists here at the table to please limit your oral testimony to five minutes and members should have ample time to answer questions. mr. dadaro, your discretion if you want to yield time to a particular indi

mr. dalrymple, you only implemented about 50? 70 remain un -- you know, you haven't dealt with them, haven't implemented them, unimplemented? >> we have unimplemented or partially addressed actions without question. >> mr. dodaro, how many have they put in place? >> there's still about 63% that need to be implemented. >> so less than half. they've implemented less than half to deal with this huge tax gap. changing subjects somewhat, so you're in charge of enforcement. do you know anything, mr. dalrymple, about the stingray technology? >> i know about the -- i know the technology exists. i know that we have employed it in certain circumstances. >> how many times has the irs used this technology that mimics a cellphone tower, grabs up everyone in that particular areas's cellphone data and gives the irs, the same irs that targeted people, access to people in that geographic location, the irs knows where they're at and their cell number and cell information? how many times has the irs used that technology? >> i would have to come back

mr. dalrymple indicated they're going to online electronic process but this is outdated. >> mr. dalrymple, you did talk about the plans to move it online. can you give us a little more specificity what it lookings like in a timeline? >> we're just in the planning stages right now so i can't really give you anymore specificity about exactly what it is going to look like. we have to, you know, engineer that process. et cetera. but, it is pretty clear to us our processes working for the taxpayers or for us at this point in time. so we'll make major changes to that program. >> no. i hear that, sounds like you've got some great intentions there but in your forecasting is there any kind of timeline? you said you are talking about some plans. can you be a little bit more specific. >> we'll be responding to the gao report in may. at that point in time we'll have a timeline together that will actually lay out what we're going to do in a time line for getting it done. >> i look forward to seeing that in may. mr. dodaro, how might greater coordination between the referral programs increase

mr. john dalrymple, deputy commissioner at the irs at united states department of treasury. mr. david tillotson, chief management officer at united states department of defense. and dr. patrick conway. doctor, you've got -- you've got a title here. acting principle director -- acting principal deputy administrator, deputy chief administrator for innovation equality and chief medical officer at centers for medicare and medicaid services at the united states department of health and human services. so, i thank you, again, for all of your good work and being here. pursuant to committee rules, all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. those on the panel as well as those that accompanied mr mr. dodaro, if you would all rise and raise your right hand. do you slemly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? please be seated. please let the record show that all answered in the affirmative. we will ask those at the table to please limit your oral testimony to five minutes so we have ample time to answer quest

mr. john dalrymple from the irs at the united states department of treasury, mr. tillitson from the united states department of defense and dr. patrick conway. you've got a title here. acting principal deputy administrator, deputy chief administrator for innovation equality and chief medical officer at the centers for medicare and medicaid services at the united states department of health and human services. i thank you again for your good work and for being here. pursuant to committee rules all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. those on the panels and those that accompany, if you rise and raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. you may be seated. let the record reflect all witnesses answered in the affirmative. we would ask the four panelists here at the table to please limit your oral testimony to five minutes and members should have ample time to answer questions. mr. dadaro, your discretion if you want to yield time to a particular i

mr. dalrymple, that's why we raised the questions we did. why don't you start with the 112 recommendations mr. dodaro and his group did on how to deal with the fact we ain't collecting the money we're supposed to collect in light of the fact we have a $19 trillion debt instead of buying stingray technology and infringing upon the liberties of tax paying americans? >> i thank the gentleman. reclaiming my time, dr. conway, i saw you shaking your head yes when gene dodaro talked about the fact that we needed to make sure hospitals and private physicians in terms of the amount of money we are paying them back, i saw you shaking your head that -- and i don't want to put words in your mouth but it is not linear or fair, is that correct? >> there's --in the president's budget there's a recommendation around site-neutral payments which would equalize payments for services across hospital outpatient setting and as you know congress passed legislation starting january -- >> so dr. conway, can we get too this committee within the next 120 days a plan on

mr. dalrymple, that's why we raised the questions we get. why don't you start with a 112 recommendations mr. dodaro and descriptive, the good work they did on how to do with the facts we ate like and many were supposed to click in light of effect with that in 1900 dead and everything else, instead of buying stingray technology and potentially infringing upon the liberties of taxpaying americans? >> i thank the gentleman. reclaiming my time. dr. conway, i saw you shaking your head just when gene dodaro talked about the fact that we need to make sure that hospitals and private physicians in terms of the amount of money that we are actually paying them back. i saw you shaking your head that come at a don't put words in your mouth, but it is not linear or fair. is that correct? >> there is, in the president's budget as a recommendation around site neutral payment which would equalize payments for services across hospital outpatient physician setting. and as you know congress passed legislation starting in january. >> can we get to this committee

mr. dalrymple who frankly couldn't answer many of them but said he'd get back with us. but one thing he did offer to the committee was that he believes 37 times this technology, which without a probable-cause warrant was used on american taxpayers. >> by the irs. >> by the irs, yeah. good point. there are other agencies using it too, i believe without 4th amendment probable cause-type of warrants. and that the irs is currently in the process of purchasing an additional stingray unit, additional technology at the cost of several hundred thousand dollars. would you believe -- do you believe that's in the best interest of taxpayers? >> i don't know that i have enough information to answer that question. i need to know who is going to use it and what are the protections for using it. and i don't have the knowledge about that. if it were not -- if it were available to anyone on the civil side of the irs as opposed to the criminal side and due process protections and court orders were not -- >> let me ask the question, ms. olson. of those 112 recommendations that g.a.o. made