brown was much closer to mr. dayko than was mr. blair closer to mr mr. dayko. >> yes, mr. dayko -- i think you'd find he was skeptical about mr. blair in a way that -- well, he was less skeptical about mr. brown. it did -- partly because mr. brown before he became leader had had conversations with mr. decker about heading up an inquiry into the 30-year rule. that in a sense was a done deal as i -- mr. brown became prime minister. but i then took on the operational side of that inquiry. and of course subsequently there were a lot of conversations with mr. decker and senior colleagues in the press about segment 55 of the protection act. >> we'll come to the detail. >> just before you go on, can i go back to a phrase i rather like, expectful acquaintanceship? was that because you or he felt that your respective paths took you into different directions and therefore that was the best way, or was it just that's -- it's just a coincidence and that's how it went and you wouldn't have minded if it had more? do you understand the question i was asking? >> yes, i do. there was never