mr. deakin. some have said the financial collapse was devastating -- more devastating than the great depression. congress has passed wall street reform legislation. do you support or oppose a and why -- do you support or oppose that legislation and why? >> both parties are using the tax code to manipulate our economy. we need a flat tax. the repeal of the 16th amendment is very important to getting our government and our economy back to a stable path. both of these gentlemen voted to repeal several bills. one in 1999 changes the mortgage industry. it allowed derivatives to be created. both of them have voted for regulation that allowed the carbon market to get creative. there is a derivatives market associated with that. we have to stop sending career politicians to washington, d.c. we have to send people who understand how our economy works. we have to send people who understand what it means to create a job and maintain that job, and pay those taxes associated with that job. we have to get back

mr. deakin first. then we will go -- >> i thought i was first. >> the question went you first, so you get the last rebuttal. >> i thi i am right on the ball with this. on.m right [laughter] >> i think it is great that the congressman is talking about medicare costs. is that included on the medicare part d that you voted on? i am assuming that it is. [laughter] [cross-talk] >> one comment. >> they both failed. we have to do something about the 12, 20, 15 -- depending on which numbers you're listening to. colorado is complaining, mexico is complaining. enforcement of the law works. that is where we need to start. >> one note on medicare. last night, jim said we should work to preserve medicare. what happened with prescription drug coverage? we ushered medicare into the 21st century. in the final analysis, they said the free market and market reform model actually saved money. now barack obama is in charge and it has changed. i understand the irony. john mccain did not want to have prescription drug cover

mr. deakin, thank you very much. mr. hayworth. this -- >> this must be a first, that someone claims to have e.s.p. to tell me how i would have voted for my family when i was a private citizen. while i appreciate the fact, and i'll take john at his word, that he led the fight against the stimulus, he led the acceptance of tarp. $7 hundred 50 billion in earmarks, earmarks he says he opposes. discussing cutting defense spending. do you agree with that? >> we don't need to have bases all over the world because it feels good to have them there. if have that technology and we should continue to invest in our future. but we have to bring the right people into washington d.c., senate appropriations hearings, and they can justify the dollars they are going to spend. those are american dirp dollars. american taxpayers want to be protected. american taxpayers want to be protected from our burdensome government. >> when it comes to the budget, we confront a new age of in this dangerous world in which we live where tror comes to our back -- te

mr. deakin. . . . you've coverage on c-span. >> it is great to be up here because five years ago i was in the same position as all of you. i had just come to washington, d.c., to intern for the first time for senator lugar fm the state of indiana were i am from. i spent a lot of time involved in politics and run political people and talking about issues and legislation but i reall enjoyed it. i found a lot of conservative women in the sea and loved hanging out with them and talkg about issues together. so when i went back to the owners did that -- university of virginia for the third year of college, i saw out a silar environment to what i found in the washington, d.c. smart, ambitious woman, who were also conservatives and wanted to talk about issues from a conservative prospective bid up mature schools are like my university, there probably hundreds of clubs. archery clubs, belly dancing clubs, rugby clubs get your name and activity, and there is a club for it. i figured there were be something like

mr. jim deakin, you are next. >> i think that the senator nailed it. the american people do not trust them anymore. neither one of these men were able to secure the border. they spent decades in washington d.c. and did not do anything about it. we need to have immigration reform, but we need to have a definition difference because immigration is one thing. that is naturalization. we have to have a real conversation about the difference between immigration and migration. people that just want to come here to work. when you have that different -- that definition differentiation, then we can have a rope conversation. they just want to come here to make their lives better. >> congressman, on immigration reform. >> this is interesting both of my opponents favored amnesty. we heard about migration. that is what we hear from journals and journalists. john talked about the cost. he did the study and the long- term cost for medicare and social security that you wanted to give illegals that you would grant citizenship to, $2.60 trillion. that sounds sustainable.