mr. delarosa. i just want to make sure that if somebody pressed star, three, they're not in a holding pattern. so back to the moderator, do we have any callers in the queue in. >> operator: madam clerk, there are no public callers in the queue. >> chair ambrose: okay. then public comment is closed. and mr. delarosa, if you can speak to that. and i understand the chair should be a licensed attorney, but there is really a substantial due process that has to go along with debarment. you're depriving someone of their livelihood. i've been involved in debarment proceedings before. it's extremely challenging to build the evidentiary record to overcome the objections, and by opening -- by changing the rules and introducing the concept of suspension, but i'm presuming is a lower bar because you have allegation, not -- not an actual conviction where that hearing has taken place in another court of law, and then, you're just applying it to your contracting process. so any way, all that to say i agree with co

mr. delarosa. i just want to make sure that if somebody pressed star, three, they're not in a holding pattern. so back to the moderator, do we have any callers in the queue in. >> operator: madam clerk, there are no public callers in the queue. >> chair ambrose: okay. then public comment is closed. and mr. delarosa, if you can speak to that. and i understand the chair should be a licensed attorney, but there is really a substantial due process that has to go along with debarment. you're depriving someone of their livelihood. i've been involved in debarment proceedings before. it's extremely challenging to build the evidentiary record to overcome the objections, and by opening -- by changing the rules and introducing the concept of suspension, but i'm presuming is a lower bar because you have allegation, not -- not an actual conviction where that hearing has taken place in another court of law, and then, you're just applying it to your contracting process. so any way, all that to say i agree with co

mr. delarosa. i just want to make sure that if somebody pressed star, three, they're not in a holding pattern. so back to the moderator, do we have any callers in the queue in. >> operator: madam clerk, there are no public callers in the queue. >> chair ambrose: okay. then public comment is closed. and mr. delarosa, if you can speak to that. and i understand the chair should be a licensed attorney, but there is really a substantial due process that has to go along with debarment. you're depriving someone of their livelihood. i've been involved in debarment proceedings before. it's extremely challenging to build the evidentiary record to overcome the objections, and by opening -- by changing the rules and introducing the concept of suspension, but i'm presuming is a lower bar because you have allegation, not -- not an actual conviction where that hearing has taken place in another court of law, and then, you're just applying it to your contracting process. so any way, all that to say i agree with co