mr. diller has some points here about the way in which the ministerial exception relates or does not relate to employment division v. smith. in order to make an argument in the minister of exception, you have to say that institutional autonomy is different from individual conscience. in smith it was said that state can trump individual conscience. you want to trump individual autonomy. why is that? >> it is now that institutions are different from individuals. it is that the institutional governance of the church is a prior step. it is whether they can act on religious teachings after they are formulated. four ministers, it is the process by which those teachings will be formulated. >> is the establishment have to do something with institutions? >> the exercise clause relates to individuals. >> this course has relied on both exercise and establishment. it is a long line of cases, all the way back to watson, distinguishing this problem from the problem that culminates in smith. >> thank you, counsel. the case is submitted. >> next, professor anita hill talks about her testimony in the senate