mr. diringer holds a degree from haverford college and in 1995 and '96 he served as a neiman fellow at harvard university. our third panelist barbara is with the -- is the founder and director of the climate change program at the natural resources defense council. she leads an rdc's 25 member staff in beijing to promote innovative policy development, capacity-building and market transformation in china with a focus on climate change. critical components of energy efficiencies, green buildings, advanced energy technologies, environmental law and a number of other activities. she has had nearly 30 years of experience in environmental law and energy policy with a focus on china for nearly two decades. she has worked in the nuclear nonproliferation program at the departments of justice and interior and for the united nations development program and the center for environmental law. she has served as president and chair of the professional association for china's environment, pace, and as the cofounder and president of the china-united states efficiency alliance, a nonprofit affiliation. so without