mr. donohue and mr. gerard represent and do, i really would like to know for a fact why it enhances a company's ability to make claims when they can easily make it through any other country that they operate in. i would really like to know that. if you would send that to me, i would appreciate it. again, i ask these questions with great respect. >> can i take a moment? i want to add, senator, if i could, just for a minute. first of all, you know how much i appreciate the due diligence you do on this stuff, and i really am grateful to you for taking the time and looking at this without all the external influences and kind of working through it. but let me just say to you, with respect to the dispute resolution, and we'll get this for the record. you've asked it of mr. mcadam, but we'll also have our own counsel add in which is important, and we can spend some time with you on it. you cannot -- only a country has access to dispute resolution, not an individual company. so it's irrelevant that they may have

mr. donohue. >> senator, i was going to add something you already know. the other answer that's very interesting in your state is natural gas. as you know, the price is down in the $2, $3 range today. 83,000 new jobs in your state as a result of that resurgence and i think as jay said earlier, that is primarily what's driving the manufacturing resurgence in the united states. we often forget that those chemical plants and others are primarily driven by the feed stock of natural gas where they convert natural gas to all the products we consume every day and don't think about. so it's natural gas, low cost, affordable, reliable energy that's driving those other benefits in our economy today. >> i'll submit some more questions for the record. i've got to run. thank you so much for your testimony. mr. chairman, thank you. >> thank you very much. senator shaheen, do you have any second-round questions? >> i do have a couple, mr. chairman. i know one of the issues that has been raised about the treaty and i heard some of that debate today, has been what is the

mr. donohue? well, if you read what seems to be the treaties environmental interests, we have met all of them. all of them. period. and, if we were a party to the treaty, and inordinate or particularly inappropriate climate demands were made on us, we would have the ability to veto it, veto it. it takes one veto. >> may i ask you yes, mr. timmins. >> just tell me how you think that's wrong and i will be happy to discuss it with you. >> i think it's a very important point that mr. donohue has just made. we would have the right to object to any provisions that are put forward. that said, there is nothing in the treaty that i have read that indicates that we would have to join kyoto or any other treaty of that type, and that is coming from an organization that does not support kyoto and has serious reservations about a cap-and-trade regime. some critics have additionally argue that if the u.s. joins the convention, the chamber of commerce agree with that? >> no. if you expandfá the economy, and many