mr. dougherty, we heard from ms.rickland on the first panel, she reached out to the va and was told there's no help, literally hung up with nothing, and we just heard ms. curry, obviously, a totally different story. with a no wrong-door policy, it's unacceptable that more help wasn't geffen to ms.-- given to ms. strickland and and others like her. ms. curry, i wanted to ask you what was the turning point that led you to the va? >> actually, it was a very long time before the resources were really known to me. i had to do some research. i actually contacted military one source which is a very helpful resource who helps you, basically, get to a lot of different resources. um, but what led me to the va was the fact that i was just tired of being homeless. i was tired of not having a stable job and having to ask people for things, and i'm the type of person where i like to get everything on my own, so it was definitely a challenge for me. so i had to make an adult decision and go to a shelter where the program would be a