and mrs. dowler. i appreciate that you may be nervous. last time you gave evidence was a difficult one. i won't ask detailed questions about your statement. mr. jay will do that. but can i begin by asking you, we will know it was the revelation publicly in july of this year that milly's phone had been hacked by people acting on behalf of the news of the world that led to the setting up of this inquiry. can i ask how you feel about that? >> i think the gravity of what happened needs to be investigated. i think there is a much bigger picture, but i think that given we learned about the hacking revelations just before the trial for the murder of our daughter, and it was extremely important that we understood and people understand exactly what went on in terms of these practices to uncover this information from that situation. >> prior to your discovering about milly's phone, did you read stories about other people including well known people whose phones had also been hacked into? >> yes. we had been aware of gordon taylor and certainly away

and mrs. dowler. you are a little nervous and i know the evidence was difficult so i am not going to ask you detailed questions about your statement. mr. jay will do that in a minute but i -- and i began by asking you, we all know that it was the revelation publicly in july of this year that milly's phone had been hacked into by people acting on behalf of "news of the world." can i ask you how you feel about that? >> i will answer this one. i think the gravity of what happened needs to be investigated. i think there is a much bigger picture actually but i think that given that we learned about this just before the trial of our daughter, it was extremely important that we understood and people understand exactly what went on in terms of these practices to uncover this information in that situation. >> in prior to you discovering about milly's phone, did you read stories about other people, including well-known people, whose phones have also been hacked into? >> yes. we had obviously been aware of siena,

mr. dowler. this inquiry you consider about the press culture and ethics, looking back and looking to the future. if you are here it make recommendations this is your chance. is threre neglect you would like to -- anything you would like to suggest to the lord justice leveson at this stage? >> we were asked the question when we visited the prime minister and we are ordinary people so we have no experience in such a public light situation. and certainly no experience from a media controlled media involvement situation. that has always been on our best judgment as to how we dealt with test matters. >> it was more the extent of it exposed and the inquiry could make the decisions. >> yes, it appears it the inquiry that your judgment has been extremely well exercised under difficult situations and we appreciate that. but do you have anything more general that you would invite the inquiry to think about? >> i think we will leave that up to you. >> how very generous of you. thank you. >> i have no furth

and mrs. dowler.i know you may be a little nest, i know your experience the last time you ghei evidence was a difficult one, so i'm not going to ask you detailed questions about your statement, mr. jay will do that in a minute, but can i begin by asking you, we all know that it was the revelation publicly in july of this year that millie's phone had been hacked into by people acting on behalf of the "news of the world" which led to the setting up of this inquiry. can i ask you how you feel about that? >> i'll answer this one. i think the, the gravity of what happened needs to be investigated there's a much bigger picture, obviously, but i think given that we learned about those hacking revelations just before the trial of the murder of our daughter, um, it was extremely important that we understood and people understand exactly what we're talking in terms of these practices to uncover this information from the hacking situation. >> and prior to you discovering about millie's phone, did you read storie

gets joined, we are joined in london this morning by mark lewis who is the attorney for the dowler family. mrg to get out of this? >> well, i think, one, it was looking at what had happened -- what had happened in the past. the dowler's needed a full explanation of what had gone on, but also there was wanting to find out how the press is going to be regulated in the future. what the press has been talking about is to have avoid state regulation, which everybody agrees should be avoided, but what they are saying is present regulation under called the complaint commission is fine but in reality no regulation at all. the chairman has had a -- lord hunt said it wasn't a regulator so going for a free for all. >> you're looking for some sort of regulation. mark, is the hacking going on, as far as you know, still? >> there is no suggestion it's going on, but the behavior of the press is still something that can be seen. even last week when it was lord justice leverson started the inquiry and was hearing from representatives, people who soon will be giving about press conduct, were chased across the

dowler's phone. is that right or wrong? >> i am happy to come back on this. i don't think your characterization of our supporting mr.ement and standards committee have taken a view on reviewing the legal expenses of various people around these matters, and to cease paying the legal expenses for mr. mulcaire, as my father, when he testified to you in july, indicated. the question of what legal issues there are in the event of future litigations is something that i could not possibly comment on. >> my final question on this is that more than 5,000 names are now being looked at that appear in mr. mulcaire's notebooks, any amount of whom might sue news international and glenn mulcaire. what will be the test for news international as to whether they pay any award that is made to glenn mulcaire? will it just be his word that somebody authorized it, or will he have to satisfy a test -- leap a hurdle -- to prove that there was authorization from the company for that particular hacking he did or whether it was just off his own bat? will there be a test? will you discriminate between different cases in terms of standing behin