mr. dubois pointed out. >> there is not enough money. mr. is i give money to children who have derelict parents. it's not the kids' fault: i don't give it to charity unless the charity hands it to the kids. gets it right to the kids. i'm circumventing the drugs and the alcohol and the other craziness, all right? and i know charities who do that and they do it well. but, a lot of charities don't. and the government certainly doesn't. the government throws it with no drug testing no, counseling, nothing. bang right in there. and a lot of that money goes right down the drain. >> bill, i will tell you i don't live in a derelict country there are some folks that have the problem that you describe. that's not the vast majority of food stamp recipients. >> 15% of the population. >> $12 an hour, $15 an hour trying to put food on the table. need help from compassionate country to stretch their bills. >> you don't think we are creating a culture of dependence here in this country now. >> i think we are creating a culture where we give folks a hand up s