mr. dubowitz 's work as well for some time. first, it's very important to establish the fact that mr. bowitz is with an israeli front organization, i mean national foundation for democracy. just like so many of these think tanks, they are really israeli front organizations. host: let's let mr. dubowitz respond if you want to talk about your think tank. guest: i actually do not work for the foundation for national democracy. you must be confusing my think tank with another. we are committed to defending security. but i want to talk about hillary's point. hillary is a courageous voice but a lonely voice. her position on sanctions contradicts not only the obama administration but the europeans and a bipartisan crime -- bipartisan congress. she believes that the only reason iranians are negotiating seriously because they fear the coercive power of these sanctions. hillary would have you believe that you could bring these hardened men to the table and through mere engagement and without course of pressure you could get them to give out decades of nuclear infrastructure and a program that ha

mr. dubowitz, going back to the history of trust. guest: it is not just the history, it is now presents. the fact is that there is an american journalist in "the washington post" who has been denied repeated access to counsel or his family. there is an american marine sitting in the dungeons of iraq's prisons. an american preacher as well who was also sitting in iran's torture chambers. the fact of the matter is that this is not the united states of america. this is a brutal iranian regime that again it murders its own people, tortures, rapes women, a regime that at the end of the day, not only can we not trust but a regime that in its very , nature and in a makeup, a regime we should be very careful of doing anything with. the notion of a strategic with -- rappochement with this regime should be handled carefully. i think obama administration, to its credit, is going in with eyes wide open and holding the nose on the deal. it understands at the leading state sponsorship of terrorism and abuser is not the united states. host: on twit

mr. mark dubowitz represents today but they know better with that international monitoring organization. i saw that firsthand. so with the opportunity that we have to negotiate and agreed anyway to have an agreement is more intrusive and verification from the international atomic energy agency not those who previously told us as a stakeholder the manufactured information of the nuclear weapons program. said to have that upon the table got to have the interest groups say what is going on. >> use a the supreme leader is someone that could be trusted? what about the iranian supreme leader? >> guest: i don't think anybody should be interest bond dash trusted rather president of united states or iran. we have a lot to hold our government accountable. in what is so important here and but we can do for our our own interest and even to go beyond that. and the al myers and that is something else side of the interest. we want the incredibly successful nonproliferation treaty. the only thing they did is better 75% israel and pakistan that is what we don't want. >> host: now we go to jamaica on the

mr. mark dubowitz.t of all, is very important to establish the fact mark dubowitz is with the israeli organization national foundation for democracy like another think tank is the israeli organization. >> host: let's let him respond. >> guest: i don't work for the national foundation so we are an american think tank supported by americans we take no money from foreign governments and we're committed to defending the security but talk about hillary who is a courageous but lonely voice. with the position on sanctions contradict not only the obama administration and but the bipartisan congress with the entire community that believes they are brought along to the table but they fear coercive power of these sanctions will make you believe you can come to the table to these hardened and with the just mere engagement of decades of nuclear infrastructure with the program put together through billions of dollars of investment anybody who is engaged in international diplomacy buying a used car or a house are nego

mr. dubowitz. hillary, or anyone else, does not tell me how to think. i am an independent anger.ill say this about the negotiation. a face-to-face meeting about any peace is the trump card here. if anybody has had any dealings with the war, having a son or brother or father go to war and face the front lines will know that negotiations trump everything. as far as nuclear weapons are concerned, i don't know how many countries in the world now have nuclear weapons. including israel.