mr. dunlap, do you trust the numbers? the way they've gathered their information? >> well, i think you take the -- thank you very much for having me on the program and let me just say at the outset any death of an innocent human sbg a tragedy. but the you look at page 10 i think it reveals the basic problems with the report. they hired local nationals -- to begin with, they admit it's not a comprehensive survey of drone strikes in pakistan. they hired local nationals and they specifically say that the people that they talked to were those who were anxious to make known the human cost of drones. people self-selected into it. if you look at footnotes of the report, they say that while they tried to interview women and children but, you know, too hard to do so those there's very few participants who are women and children. it indicates how difficult it is to get this kind of information and so -- >> ifill: so you're saying the numbers don't stand up and therefore there's not a problem or just that the problem is not provable? >> >> what i'm saying is that i don't find