mr. dutschke. later we found out the fbi interviewed mr. dutschke on thursday, that following day.oughout our proceedings. i never mentioned his name. his name was brought up until monday in part of the hearing, you know, his name was mentioned as someone who may do this to him. even after that there was no indication from the government that they were even looking in that direction. however, i since discovered and thankfully so that even while they were investigating kevin and had their sights on kevin, they didn't stop there. they were following other leads. at this point even after the arrest i can't conclusively say what the tips were, the evidence they had. i do believe they have firm evidence against mr. dutschke that they never had against my client. >> does mr. curtis or you have any idea why mr. dutschke would allegedly send ricin laced letters to the president and other public officials? >> caller: you know, it is pure speculation. we do believe that kevin was not the target, that this was an action -- this action was not designed to hurt kevin. that was more of an after

mr. dutschke's lawyer, no.said that her client says that there has not been any conflict or anger that she knows about and she said that her attorney said that the last time they were in contact with one another was in 2010. she said they've had three or four encounters with one another and that they are acquaintances. >> ifill: do we know whether there have been any other searches or there's anyone else wh the sotlight has fallen in as the f.b.i. and other institutions continue this investigation? >> not that we know of. just mr. dutschke at this point. >> ifill: marilyn thompson, does this ring a bell for you? you wrote a book about the search for the anthrax killer. people actually died in that case back in 2001. and this seems the same in some ways, kind of poison pen letters sent to government officials. is it the same or is it different? >> well, it has some similarities, gwen. it's quite interesting to see the par parallels and to try to examine what the f.b.i.ctuay learned from the horrific events of 20

mr. dutschke is not new to the story. the last this was was part of conspiracy. as to why dutschke is connected to this at all? >> reporter: there's very little details. we know his name as surfaced in relation to that initial suspect, kevin curtis. those charges filed against curtis have since been dropped. hopefully we'll learn more in an affidavit that's been filed. right now it is under seal. it could be unsealed as early as later today. >> thank you very much. go to our website and take a look at the interview we did with the last suspect. he had plenty to say about mr. dutschke. >>> so nearlily four years after michael jackson's death, jurors are about to begin hearing the wrongful death suit. we're going to take you live to l.a. for the latest. [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ge has wired their medical hardware with innovative software to be in many places at the same time. using data to connect patients to software, to nurses to the right people and machines. ♪ helping hospitals treat people even be

dutschke is said to be a rival of mr.sts he did not hold any grudges against curtis or anybody else. here is what he said to us after curtis was released. >> my family knows i don't have anything to do with this. the people that actually know me know i don't have anything to do with this. and quite frankly, the people that don't know that this is just crazy. this is just insane. >> megyn: wow. insane and crazy are words you may hear again if and when mr. dutschke faces a trial in this case. joining me to discuss it, a defense attorney and mark, defense attorney. so that's my question, david. if i'm representing mr. dutschke, i'm going to go in there and say only a madman would try to kill the president of the united states, a u.s. senator, and a state court judge because he's ticked off at his elvis impersonator neighbor. >> i got to tell you, they must have something. they searched his home and apparently they found an indicator or many indicators that he had possessed, produced and sent the ricin. the first gentleman, p

mr. dutschke is going to face? >> he could be facing life in prison.charged right now, we believe, with possession of a biological weapon. that weapon being ricin. if you make ricin properly, it is absolutely deadly. although there have been reports that this was a kitchen brew that might only make you vomit. it's made from caster beans. we're going to have to look at the grade of the weapon. >> it was used in james bond episodes in the past. this has been something that has been used in the past. does it matter what the grade ends up being when an intent can be established that was very serious? >> i think he'll be charged with possession of a biological weapon, which is a felony in the united states. he may be charged with an attempt to kill the president of the united states. he sent a letter allegedly to president obama in this bizarre scre scheme. he's under arrest for molestingt of indecent exposure. >> i don't think we're looking at somebody who posed a serious threat to the president of the united states. i'm betting this is going to be some ho

mr. dutschke's attorney, she said that there has been no contact since 2010 and that there is no rage or anger. he doesn't know what he is talking about. but in terms of how the fb i started looking at him, the former suspect who just had charged dismissed yesterday, mr. curtis, said, i think it's this guy. >> all right, kimberly kindy, thank you for joining us. >> thank for having me. >> of course. >>> and the upcoming trial for an abortion doctor that is charged with killing babies who had signs of life. they rested without calling any witnesses. we will have the latest for you from philadelphia. >>> yesterday, a sharp dip after a tweet sent from a hacked associated press account, reporting the white house was under attack ppt markets literally showed how vulnerable they can be. well talk with cnbc contributor. how could a hoax cause the event that played out yesterday? and join our conversation on twitter. you can find out @tamronhall and "news nation." lful? the carful? how about...by the bowlful? campbell's soups give you nutrition, energy, and can help you keep a healthy weight. ca

mr. dutschke told reporters on tuesday that he was being framed.ng rivalry between him and the elvis impersonator who was charged earlier earlier in this week. what is going on here? you got three local people involved in this plot here. you've got a senator, a judge, you got mr. curtis who was released and now you have this fourth person, mr. dutschke charged. i would be sure that the agents in the u.s. attorney's office are going to be certain about their proof after gotten the first guy and had to release him. it looks like something out of a novel where dutschke holds true in the proof trying to frame curtis by sending the letters to the senator, the junl, the one to the president may have been cover to make it look like it was from afar. >> let's pivot to boston here. we're hearing the fbi conducted a search on the landfill near dzhokhar's college. what more do we know about that? >> well you would be going into that landfill if you had some information specifically that their garbage container was taken there and you interview the garbage con

mr. dutschke and we have no reason that he did it other than looking at him. get a conviction against him when they charged somebody else? >> that's a phenomenal point which comes up all the time. when they falsely charge somebody, right, the defense in the second case is wait a minute, they arrested mr. x for this crime. so you are right. >> megyn: they found out it was elvis. >> the evidence will speak independently on its own it's a great point. >> there have been many cases where that does happen. the prosecution will have to get around that the defense will have to bring it in. it's not the end for the prosecution, absolutely. >> megyn: they can get past the charge. dutschke threatened to sue curtis because he said he was a member of mensa which is a group with people super high iq's. he found is to offensive. >> he missed the mensa meeting. >> i'm in mensa all day. >> >> megyn: same thing about me. total lie. card carrying member. >> megyn: i'm sure actually somebody bothered to test my iq. >> you would be. >> megyn: all right, panel. thank you both so m