mr. eastman and mr. sions' murder. >> at the heart of the prosecution's case was the abuse they say heather frank suffered at the hands of kevin eastman. >> have a seat. >> the only thing that we really knew of heather is what came out through her son. >> can you tell the jury about the first time you knew the defendant had physically harmed your mother? >> it was in february of 2014, when i seen her, she had a slash on her throat. like a knife, like, you know, a cut on her throat. i believe it was the right side of her face was really beaten up, like really bad. it was black and blue. her wrist had been broken. >> so testimony came out that kevin was not a nice man. his pattern of behavior included breaking the arm of heather's son, slitting heather in the throat at one other time. throwing her into walls. >> they were at a bar. they came home. and he started fighting with her, and she told him to leave. and he got pissed, and he grabbed her arm and basically broke her arm. grabbed an adult kitchen knife

mr. eastman, mr. clark. clark as you know was at doj.assess that part of the probe where no offsite planners have yet been indicted? and does that mean they're not culpable, it's okay? >> i can't say for sure, but my guess is their challenge is proving criminal intent, especially with respect to trump. again, because he's surrounding by that protective belt. even though he's talking to some pillow guy, some pillow guy telling him, it will lead to this. so proving his state of mind is difficult in any circumstance, but especially with january 6th, so it doesn't surprise me if it doesn't move forward, and i doubt there would be charges at least against trump. >> would you doubt white house officials would be charged for substantive related to the action. >> more likely with trump. those people were in the oval office saying things that they can now say, ohhing i believe that to be true, so i wasn't acting with the appropriate criminal intent. >> interesting to get your analysis there, and viewers who happened to watch the whole program ton

mr. eastman acknowledged that at least some of the potential plots under discussion were literally unlawful well, when asked about some of them later, he just pled the fifth. >> we can't count slates of electors that were illegally certified. if you or i were to submit a bank application that had that misrepresentation on it, we would be in prison. >> i assert my fifth amendment right to be a witness against myself. fifth. fifth. >> it went on and on like that, that's a lawyer who went well past giuliani, from what we know publicly. and you see him on your screen. a lawyer being searched by the fbi. his phone seized. he had to testify in georgia. he is one. lawyers who had to cross the line to do what trump wanted and his fate on the coup remains outstanding. those are senior lawyers on team coup. when we here had a chance to try to ask other trump lawyers about those plots, one of them admitted plans to try to steal the result as eastman was suggesting through electors. >> i was part of the process to make sure there were alter mat electors to make sure challenges tot seated electors would

mr. eastman was suggesting although it is a benefit for eastman as i said in this disbarment, legal discipline proceedings that he's facing because they got three supreme court justices to say this is a credible theory. so it doesn't seem that fringe if you have three supreme court justices that landed in that camp. >> although those are the particularly conservative members of the supreme court. can i look at the states where there is republican control, republican legislatures, and what specifically in light of 2020 and -- what this would mean for those states? the. >> remember, you had rudy giuliani going across the country appearing in front of conservative state legislatures, gop controlled state legislatures making the case for election fraud. if this ruling had gone the other way you would have seen those state legislatures become an electoral tribunal of some sort and this decision says the courts are the ones playing that role not state legislatures. so if you're looking for the trump operation to sort of rerun that playbook in 2024, it makes this particular play not look that enticin

judge in california who found that there was a likelihood of crimes that were committed by john eastman and mrp himself admitted at various points that he knew there was not fraud sufficient to change the results. >> and katie, the evidence that you pointed to, the doj officials who took over for barr, absent clark, will say that he ultimately fell into line. a former national security official told me that's because he knew he lost. he ultimately did what they told him to, do whether at the pentagon or doj, because he knew he was leaving and wouldn't have the protections of the presidency? >> well, also these witnesses, they're lawyers, they're very careful. they would say "we," "in our conversations," "in the end, in our conversations he did what we told him to do." they're careful to say they were not sure what he was doing outside those conversations. it's really outside of those conversations where you see jack smith's investigation and other investigations going, including fani willis' investigations. i wanted to point out, testimony we saw, reporting we shared with the public even befor

vice president mike pence drafted a furious email to john eastman we learned about during the january 6th committee hearings last summer. >> mr were evacuated to a secure location within the capitol, you hit "send" on an email to john eastman explaining why his legal theory about the vice presidential role was wrong. you ended it stating, thanks to your bull -- [ bleep ] we are now under siege. >> two and a half years after he sent that email thanks to your bleep we're now under siege, he testified about sending that email, that moment again in an ethics proceeding against john eastman. part of the california bar to disbar him. and with us is charlie sykes and it was one of the more dramatic moments of the select committee, these public hearings in that greg jacob is sort of the keyhole we learn eastman knew his plot was unconstitutional, illegal and while the violence was playing out he wanted it to continue and escalate. tell me the significance of mr. jacobs at this disbarment hearing in your view yesterday? >> it's really significant. jacob is the direct connection to john eastman. a very careful lawyer who looked very ha

out of your f-ing mind. >> the vice president decided he could not buy into eastman's theories. >> was it your impression mrny times. >> and he'd been consistent in conveying his position to the president? >> very consistent. >> he basically cannot overstate the pressure trump was putting on pence in the lead up to january 6th. >> i hope that our great vice president -- our great vice president comes through for us. he's a great guy. of course if he doesn't come through, i won't like him quite as much. >> that night pence's outside lawyer, richard cohen, phoned retired judge michael luding, an esteemed republican judge for advice. >> he said do you know john eastman, i said yes. he said, well, john is advising the president and vice president that the vice president does not have to accept the electoral college votes as they've been cast. i said, well, richard, you can tell the vice president i said he has no such authority whatsoever. >> why did you take to twitter? >> well, the next morning richard calls and i said, look, we to get your voice out in the country immediately within the next hour or two. >>

john eastman, the times is also reported that jack smith's prosecutors were, quote, in negotiations to reach a proper agreement with michael roman, the former director of election day operations for mr. trump's 2020 campaign, mr. roman was also instrumental in helping put together the so-called fake elector plan. rudolph giuliani was also forced, ten months ago, to testify in the fulton county grand jury in jury investigating possible election crimes by donald trump and his allies. that became a very visible area of overlap today, between fulton county district attorney fani willis's investigation, and special prosecutor jack smith's investigation. jack smith's team today interviewed georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger. the person to whom donald trump placed the phone call heard around the world. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> donald trump made that phone call on january 2nd, 2020, one it became public the next day. the next day, on january 3rd, 2021. every member of jack smith's prosecutorial team has known about that phone call since january 3rd, 2021. but we came public. they have all known about that p

mr. meadows. >> one of the biggest supporters of this outrageous attempt to subvert american democracy was law professor and trump attorney john eastmannch is headed by one guy. >> trump saw him on fox news, and shortly after that, he was in the oval office. >> fraudulent electors were just step one in eastman's plan, which he outlined in these memos and justified with false claims of, quote, illegal actions by state and local election officials. step two in his plan would have to be executed by vice president mike pence on january 6th while presiding over the opening and counting of electoral ballots. >> what you can do is you can say due to these disputes in these seven states we're going to send this back to the states and the states would then be able to help donald trump win the election. >> it was a lie. in fact, on december 19, 2020, just four days before dr. eastman sent this memo, dr. eastman himself admitted in an e-mail that the fake electors had no legal weight, referring to the fake electors as, quote, dead on arrival in congress, end quote. >> trump campaign aides and outside lawyers shared their concerns about the schem