mr. strasberg made me aware that it was a long journey for me because i was not a conventional leading man. a conventional leading unanimous my generation were burt reynolds clint eastwood, bob redford, warren beatty. those were the good looking guys that got the young men parts. and -- i can't tell the story but -- >> rose: oh, yes, you can. >> can i use a bad word? >> rose: go ahead. >> i'm at summer stock, central city, colorado, and i'm there washing flats and playing any kind of part i can get into and bela lugosi is coming to do "dracula." and i'm cast because i'm part of this resident cast as ren field, the fly eater. and he runs around and everything. about ten minutes into the rehearsal there was an actor named bob webber who was in "12 angry men" and a lot of things like that. he said "mr. dern?" and i don't know, do you say "yes, count? or yes, bela?" so i saidiest? he said "i want you to switch roles." i was playing the good looking young man. bob webber was playing renfield. he said "i want you to play the little fly eater and i want mr. webber to play the young leading man." i said "why?" he said "look at his neck!" i said "what about it?" >> in my country