again, mr. egan can say where he got his number, we can talk about that. the other thing people reminded me of is after discussing this with a number of supervisors and others, that 20% care subsidy wasn't in the numbers when mr. egan looked, now they are. people that are not in the program will pay slightly more. it is not just a change in the market. >> again, as we vote on things and look to approve or not, having the full picture as much as possible and how it rolls through your report is interesting. >> i guess the ultimate thing is if this is not affordable, people will not choose it. we will assess the rate and tell them. if that is not affordable, they will not choose that. >> i understand that. respectfully i come from a different point of view where given opt-out it is not a choice. you are choosing to opt out, you have to choose. i respect what you say. i come from a different perspective. okay. thank you very much. those are my questions. >> thank you, supervisor. i did have a few questions as well. in terms of the opting out component, i'm not

mr. egan's point we could. we would not normally be doing that. >> thank you. quick question. about the increase to -- i know we talked about city hall gets a break on electricity and maybe it is time to pay more of a fair share. you are saying that would happen regardless? >> yes. >> okay. okay. one other thing because -- sorry, you are up there. we are 19.5 in total. six going to programmatic elements, not necessarily reserve. decoupling those, could you theoretically. could you spend $2 million on go solar sf and two million on energy efficiency items independent of a program? >> yes. >> i imagine the 2 million to study local build-out is correlated here. maybe not necessarily but i want to make sure this is bundled together now but it can be done separately. >> all those things are good ideas we should do. the difference is instead of go seller for anyone, we would do it for our own customers. it is more directed so they are still decent programs. >> thank you. supervisor avalos? supervisor composure. >> thank you. i have a question for mr. harrington, since you are up the

mr. egan's point we could. we would not normally be doing that. >> thank you. quick question. about the increase to -- i know we talked about city hall gets a break on electricity and maybe it is time to pay more of a fair share. you are saying that would happen regardless? >> yes. >> okay. okay. one other thing because -- sorry, you are up there. we are 19.5 in total.

mr. egan's brown pg&e tax. if they don't opt in.provision for owners that have a single meter to pass through any cost whatsoever of their energy. just like water if it is a single meter onto tenants. not that that pass through, so to speak, is for recouping the cost but it motivates people to use less. as was discussed during this hearing the price of energy and water is important to the end user deciding how much they will use. we'd like to see a small portion of the increase required by this able to be passed on to tenants. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, supervisors, joshua arsa with bright line. i want to say i think you have learned through this process, it's been a long road. a lot of us have worked on this a long time. work by supervisor campos, puc, lafco advocates, a lot of folks in the room. let's recognize the goals. we have a plan to be in a 100% clean energy city. it is a goal we have task forces come around. that concept and how to get there. this is a pathway through this program. another be

mr. bernanke has now opened? we'll get to that later in the show. now, let's turn back to our other breaking news story of the night. the u.s. downgraded by rating agency egan-jones. they say qe-3 is the reason for the downgrade. now, since bernanke pulled the trigger on qe-3, markets have gained almost 300 points. the achilles' heel in all this? king dollar. that's what egan-jones talked about. we'll get back to that story. i want to break down the numbers because this is an interesting story. stay with me on this. this is the exchange value of the u.s. dollar, the trade weighted u.s. dollar. and down here we start with the first qe -- i'm sorry, the second qe which was november 2010. notice how the dollar fell sharply with qe-2, not qe-1, but qe-2. that hurt consumer incomes and wound up hurting the me. my point is there's such big numbers here, let's go back and look at this. we have ending of qe-2, the ending of qe-2, all right, into mostly the late 2010 and 2011. look what happened. the dollar goes back up. do you see that? when the fed stops pumping money into the economy, the dollar goes back up and then it levels off nicely. now, with mr. bernanke's