joining me tonight, former new york governor and former attorney general of new york, eliot spitzer. mrspitzer, good to have you with us. >> ed, thank you for inviting me. >> this has got to be a clear indication of fraud as i see it. these are damaging e-mails. >> absolutely. remember, the defense of the banks has traditionally been we got it wrong, but we didn't lie. we made a mistake, but we didn't deceive. the beauty of e-mails is they give you a contemporaneous vision and understanding of what people knew. these e-mails make it very clear. and there are equally damning e-mails related to many other banks that at the time morgan, wamu, bear stearns securitized the debt, they knew the mortgages were bad. that is the essence of this, and it completely debunks their defense. >> where is the justice department? >> absent, missing in action. look, you and i think have the same frustration. we thought with a president obama, with the justice department unlike what we saw in the bush administration that embraced the banks and believed in self-regulation, believed in the mythology, wall str

eliot spitzer. you have made no fwons about, your feelings towards mr. spitzer.nst you largely evaporated. it is nowhere to be found. it is meaningless at this point. the question though that i get asked at every bar, as we know spitzer blew up in, you know, in a prostitution scandal. >> right. >> the question i get asked in every bar, they know i know you, they know i like you, they say, you know what? do you think hank did it? this is what they believe. they believe hank greenberg set up eliot spitzer or at least, not set up, blew the whistle on him. it is an urban legend. you can put it to rest right now. are you guy that blew the whistle on him? >> no, not at all. i had nothing to do about that. >> do you think anybody on wall street did. >> no, i don't think so. i think he brew himself up. he blew himself up. he violated the law apart from moving money imppoperly and with his dealing with prostitutes he blew himself up. >> he got caught. >> and he got caught. >> and he got caught. >> well, if you did blow the whistle on him, i wouldn't care. i would still sh