elliott may have had a brief conversation. >> really? >> i am told there was nothing substantive discussed during that conversation if you look at mr. ceo roles and there's a look at paul singer, who is not running this, he has a couple of other guys running this campaign which, by the way, has been brutal and it's at the meeting if not before, but jim, you do get the sense and i certainly do from my reporting that there's a possiblity of some sort of resolution in the next 24 hours. we'll see if it happens. you have the elliott side which i believe is feeling fairly confident and it has four, maybe all five of its directors and so what are they willing to take and they're getting closer to having real talks and whether that will occur is still to be determined. >> i'm confused, david. if you want the stock higher, you sell the company, you don't add directors. what with am i missing here? what is an adding of directors to the minority mean? >> to the extent that the new slate proposed by hess to replace five directors by exiting is a better group of directors and it's a much more constructive group. you have ten new board members a