that is directly from mr. ellis.d the whole thing. they are telling us now that they did not score the voucher peaciece. >> i am concerned about the words here that says there would not be a substantial effect. i don't know what the definition of substantial is. it does not say anything about quality. all this says is a number of people with coverage. it doesn't say what that coverage would be. the whole theory is the market and that is what we have to look at. >> the hour is late and i will not take a couple of minutes to wrap up. >> briefly, there are some pretty tired people here. >> millions of americans have no choice in health care system. that is the fact. we can go back and forth about cbo scoring, what is indisputable is over 200 million americans, 200 million americans, if they're getting hammered by their insurance company, if they are getting lousy service, we are saying that you are stuck. you don't get to go out into the marketplace. that is in defenses. that is indefensible when people are going to say

mr. dope dealer grabbed your arm during the transaction and you got a bruise. okay. i think that sums it up. let's get back to the issue at hand. to elliehat can you tell me about reports of insiders with access to croslin who say this child is dead? >> right, nancy. well, that's tim miller. he's the founder of texas equusearch. he is saying that after being with misty croslin during that polygraph that he set up, after that layered voice analysis, he says that she keeps insisting that haleigh is alive, which makes him think that haleigh is actually dead and they're not going to find her. >> to marlaina schiavo, when she says that on the lie detector, that the child is alive, was that proven to be a lie? >> according to tim and his polygrapher, yes. i mean, they said that it was full of deceit, all of the answers that she was giving. but at the same time, nancy, we have to keep in mind that as much as tim miller doesn't have any evidence that she's still alive, he hasn't really given us much evidence that she is dead. >> absolutely correct. and that is the point made by grandmother teresa neves. i want to go to ron shindell, former nypd

mr. dope dealer grabbed your arm during the transaction and you got a bruise. okay. i think that sums it up. let's get back to the issue at hand. to ellieiders with access to croslin who say this child is dead? >> right, nancy. well, that's tim miller. he's the founder of texas equusearch. he is saying that after being with misty croslin during that polygraph that he set up, after that layered voice analysis, he says that she keeps insisting that haleigh is alive, which makes him think that haleigh is actually dead and they're not going to find her. >> to marlaina schiavo, when she says that on the lie detector, that the child is alive, was that proven to be a lie? >> according to tim and his polygrapher, yes. i mean, they said that it was full of deceit, all of the answers that she was giving. but at the same time, nancy, we have to keep in mind that as much as tim miller doesn't have any evidence that she's still alive, he hasn't really given us much evidence that she is dead. >> absolutely correct. and that is the point made by grandmother teresa neves. i want to go to ron shindell, former nypd deputy inspector. what, if anything, ca