mr. cleaver. and then ms. van duyne. emanuel cleaver ii: thank you. this has been very, very interesting. i almost ran over to make sure i was here in person. we have so many problems and you have been very articulate in uh giving us some reason to, you know, contemplate ways in which things can function better. we have multiple influences in one of them. is the media, and i understand but if you want to get attention and want to become a national personality. i mean if i took off my pants and ran around ah, you know, this building, i mean, i've got -- i would get significant coverage tonight, um, lock there -- >> yeah, lock him up. >> and i mean, but if i did, you know, to demonstrate that we have naked policy, uh, you know, then heralded and, and so that's a part of it that we, nobody wants to talk about because somebody wants to meet you to get mad at them. however, the good news uh, is uh, two weeks ago, a major news outlet. i'm not gonna mention them because i don't, we, we had this lengthy meeting. and they may not be ready to talk about it, but they are interested in something that