and i applaud mr. embry for coming out. he is a brave soul to do so. he is unfortunately paying the consequences for doing so, which i find utterly outrageous. you have people who are agitators. what they really don't want are black americans to recognize how progressive policies are failing urban communities. and they're trying to make this an issue about race and it is not about race. based on what we know so far. >> all right. pamela means, are you taking a position on the cop's actions? >> i certainly am. sean thank you so much for having us on the show. >> you're very welcome. thank you for being here >> the position i'm taking is the cop's behavior toward the young lady was out of control. police officers have an obligation when they enter into a situation to de-escalate the situation and not escalate it. if you look at the seven-minute clip, you see two officers standing there. there's one officer standing, having a conversation with the young people. you don't see the chaos. when you see officer casebolt, you see chaos and he is out of control