>> he was. >> did mr. engel correct or disagree with any part of this story from mr. ornato? >> mr. l did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. >> did mr. engel or mr. ornato ever after that tell you that what mr. ornato had just said was untrue? >> neither mr. ornato nor mr. engel told me ever that it was untrue. >> and despite this altercation, this physical altercation during the ride back to the white house, president trump still demanded to go to the capitol. here's what kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary at the time, wrote in her personal notes and told the committee about president trump's desire to go to the capitol after returning to the white house. >> when you wrote potus wanted to walk to the capitol, was that based solely on what the president said during his speech or anything that he or anybody else said afterwards? so to the best of my >>so to the best of my recollection, i believe when we got back to the white house he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers. and according to my notes, he then said, you'd be fine with just wri

donoghue and mr. engelwere preparing for that meeting at the white house, jeff clark and the president where in constant communication beginning at 7 am. white house call logs obtained by the committee show that by four 90 pm on january 3rd, the white house had already begun referring to mr. clark as the acting attorney general. as far as the white house was concerned, mr. clark was already at the top of the justice department. two hours later, doj leadership arrived at the white house. the select committee interviewed every person who was inside the room, what's inside the room during this sunday evening oval office meeting. mr. cipollone told the committee that he was, quote, unmistakably angry during the meeting and that he along with eric harshman and mr. donahue, quote, forcefully challenged mr. clock to produce evidence of election fraud theories. mr. rosen, can you describe how that meeting started? >> yes. so after some preliminaries -- so mr. meadows had assured us all in and then he left so mr. ci

ornato or mr. engele it was untrue. >> the select committee has previously interviewed both ornato, a former secret service agent himself and engel and committee member stephanie murphy had this response to the disputed testimony. >> while the details are being disputed, the broader idea is not being disputed. mr. ornato did not have as clear of a memory from this period of time, and as i would say, m hutchinson did, if that's a fair assessment there, and we're always happy to have those who have recalled things to come back and talk to us. >> a spokesman for the secret service said the agency was not asked about hutchinson's testimony before tuesday's hearing and says it will make any member available to testify under oath. to be clear, the agency is not denying that the former president was angry about not being taken to the capitol, only that there was an altercation in the suv version of the beast. >>> mark meadows meanwhile is denying testimony that he asked for president trump for a pardon. in a st

donoghue and mr. engelwere preparing for that meeting at the white house, jeff clark and the president where in constant communication beginning at 7 am. white house call logs obtained by the committee show that by four 90 pm on january 3rd, the white house had already begun referring to mr. clark as the acting attorney general. as far as the white house was concerned, mr. clark was already at the top of the justice department. two hours later, doj leadership arrived at the white house. the select committee interviewed every person who was inside the room, what's inside the room during this sunday evening oval office meeting. mr. cipollone told the committee that he was, quote, unmistakably angry during the meeting and that he along with eric harshman and mr. donahue, quote, forcefully challenged mr. clock to produce evidence of election fraud theories. mr. rosen, can you describe how that meeting started? >> yes. so after some preliminaries -- so mr. meadows had assured us all in and then he left so mr. ci

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and so, the president immediately turned to mr. engel, and he said, steve, you wouldn't resign, would you? and he said, absolutely, i would, mr. president. you leave me no choice. and then i said, and we're not the only ones. no one cares if we resign. if steve and i go, that's fine. that doesn't matter. but i'm telling you what's going to happen. you're going to lose your entire department leadership. every single aide will walk out. your entire department leadership will walk out within hours. and i don't know what happens after that. i don't know what the united states attorneys are going to do. we have u.s. attorneys in districts across the country, and my guess would be that many of them would have resigned, and that would then have led to resignations across the department in washington, and i said mr. president, within 24, 48, 72 hours you could have hundreds and hundreds of resignations of the leadership of your entire justice department because of your actions. what's that going to say about you? >> wow. mr. engel, can you descr

and so the president immediately turned to mr. engel. id, steve, you wouldn't resign, would you? and he said, absolutely i would, mr. president. you leave me no choice. and i said, and we're not the only ones. no one cares if we resign. if steve and i go, that's fine. it doesn't matter. but i'm telling you what's going to happen. you're going to lose your entire department leadership. every single aag will walk out on you. your entire department leadership will walk out within hours. and i don't know what happens after that. i don't know what the united states attorneys are going to do. we have u.s. attorneys in districts across the country, and my guess would be that many of them would have resigned. and that would then have led to resignations across the department in washington. and i said, mr. president, within 24, 48, 72 hours, you could have hundreds and hureds of resignations of the leadership of your entire justice department because of your actions. what's that going to say about you? amy: that is richard donoghue most of trump's

>> he was. >> did mr. engel correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. ornato? >> mr. t correct or disagree with any part of the story. >> it mr. engel or mr. ornato ever after that tell you that mr. ornato what he just said was untrue? >> neither mr. ornato nor mr. engel told me ever that it was untrue. >> absolutely unprecedented lurid, bizarre, shocking, i mean, we all turned into madeleine's trying to cover revelations like this. >> let's bring our colleague nichol wallace, host of deadline white house. nicole, i know that you can't be here on set with us tonight, but i'm desperate to talk with you about this. thank you for being here. >> i'm so glad to be here. look, you guys have covered all the things that had me, you know, picking my jaw up from the desk. but i think this quid you just played it's just so important and the conversations in questions we were just asking, which was he gonna do when he got there? i mean, rudy giuliani is having cassidy hutchinson lobby mark meadows to get into the capital answers a lot of questions about the second to the six, and

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on 6january, how the president's most senior advisors anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to 6january? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. drexel heard ii is democratic strategist and hejoines me now from los angeles. good to see you. thank you for talking to us. a lot of reporting around this is that dumb at describing the testimony as explosive, do you agree —— —— has described. i think it reminds us that the trump administration was and continues to be an unethical administration and the shows he

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel.as responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on the 6th of january, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate. that he was interested i in receiving a presidential pardon relating to. the 6th ofjanuary? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. ghislaine maxwell, a former girlfriend of the sex earlier i've spoke to a professor of law and performers prosecutor, who gave me his take. {iii prosecutor, who gave me his take. u, , prosecutor, who gave me his take. .. , , prosecutor, who gave me his take. , , ., take. of course, she added new detail of what _ take. of course, she added new

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on 6january, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to 6january? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. jennifer kerns is a former republican strategist and now author and conservative national talk show host. she joins us from new york. thank you for talking to us. what did you think of that testimony by ms hutchinson? well, i certainly found the details to be quite fallacious and specific. unfortunately, i think some of this will be contradicted in the coming days

>> he was. >> did mr. engel correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. ornato? >> mr. engel did not correct or disagree with any part of the story. >> did mr. engel or mr. ornato after that tell you what he said was untrue? >> neither told me ever that it was untrue. >> and despite this altercation, this physical altercation during the ride back to the white house, president trump still demanded to go to the capitol. here is what kayleigh mcenany, the press secretary at the time, wrote in her personal notes and told the committee about president's desire to go to the capitol after returning to the white house. >> when you wrote he wanted to walk to the capitol, was that based solely on what the president said during his speech or anything that he or anybody else said afterwards? >> so to the best of my recollection, i believe when we got back to the white house he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers and according to my notes he then said he would be fine with just riding the beast. that's my recollection, he wanted to be a part of the march. >> and just

mr. trump never grabbed the steering wheel and never assaulted engel. and that ornato never told hutchinson those events occurred, but they don't deny mr. trump was furious and wanted to go to the capitol. the secret service says engel and ornato remain close to mr. trump. it says its agents are available to testify under oath also tonight, mark meadows is disputing hutchinson's account that he asked for a pardon meadows is declining to cooperate with the committee citing executive privilege. and former white house lawyer eric herschmann is challenging hutchinson's testimony that she wrote this note with wording from mr. trump to condemn the violence >> that's your handwriting, ms. hutchinson >> that's my handwriting. >> reporter: but herschmann's spokesman said herschmann wrot the note top republicans tonight are slamming hutchinson's testimony. >> it looks like one more day of salacious headlines. this is why pelosi set this up to keep going after trump not to get facts. >> reporter: but committee democrats are dismissing any criticism. >> nobody is ch

mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sayr sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. not the capitol. he then lunged toward engel. >> he insisted he follow his followers to the capitol despite being told it was dangerous and potentially illegal. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassie. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. >> she outlined repeated examples of an unstable commander in chief who lashed out in anger often after losing the election like when he learned attorney general barr told the associated press there was no widespread voter fraud. >> there was ketchup dripping down the wall and a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's ap interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> sitting just doors away fro

mr. engel grabbed his arm. sir, you need to take your arm off the steering wheel. mr. trump used his free hand to lunge towards mr. bobby angle. when he recounted the story to me motioned towards his clavicles. she said white house staff had warned them not to go to the capitol. >> he said to me, we need make sure that this doesn't happen. this would be legally a terrible idea for us. >> and after the attack she said mark meadows and former trump attorney rudy giuliani asked trump for presidential pardon. joining a list of republican lawmakers, she is already named. the former president quickly responded to her testimony on his social media platform writing in part: i hardly know who this person, cassidy hutchison is other than i heard very negative things about her. a total phony and a leaker. now, republicans have long said that this committee is illegitimate because there are no g.o.p. appointed members on this committee. although some legal experts do believe that some of this witness testi

mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel and when mr. ornato had recounted this story to me he had motioned toward his clavicles >> reporter: hutchinson saying even before his rally mr. trump was aware of the potential for violence at the capitol when he was told some supporters were armed and would not go through security >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of "i don't care that they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the effing mags away let my people in they can march to the capitol from here. >> reporter: all as security had spotted trump supporters carrying ar-15s. >> i've got three men walking down the street in fatigues while carrying ar-15s. copy at 14th and independence >> reporter: hutchinson said she first heard of plans for president trump to make an unannounced trip to the capitol from rudy giuliani days before january 6th, plans alarming then white house counsel pat cipollone. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy keep in to

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel.rump has responded, saying this is a "fake story that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on the 6th ofjanuary, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate. that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating - to the 6th ofjanuary? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. some cricket news. the former england captain michael vaughan says he is stepping back from his work on the bbc�*s cricket coverage. it follows allegations made last year that he made a racist comment to a group of asian players whilst playing for yorkshire county cricket club. vaughan, who denies the claims, says stepping back temporarily is in

mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge toward bobby engel and went mr. arenado recounted his story to me he motioned toward his chemicals. >> the former president has since responded to the testimony and calls her a , quote, total phony and weaker. >>> a six week delay for scott peterson in his bid for pretrial. attorneys on both sides were supposed to be back in the courtroom yesterday but one of peterson's attorneys has since tested positive for covid. peterson is in a modified quarantine after being exposed at san quentin and is seeking a new trial based on questions surrounding one of the jurors in his original trial nearly 20 years ago. last year the california supreme court just overturned his death sentence for killing his wife and unborn son. another hearing will take place august 11th. >>> moving you forward. 2.5 years into the pandemic and vaccines for children as young as six months old are now available but there is hesitancy among parents as they ponder the decision to take the step with the family. i spoke with a doctor about key benefits f

mr. engels grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel, we are going back to the west wg, we are not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to launch toward bobby engel, when tonyecounted the story towards me, he aimed toward his clavicle. >> was mr. engel in the room when he was telling the story? >> he was. >> did he disagree with any part of the story? >> he did not correct or disagree with any part of his story. >> did they ever act on that and tell you that what he had just said was untrue? >> neither of them told me ever that it was unue. >> and despite thisltercation, this physical altercation during the ride back to the white house, president trump still demanded to go to the capitol. here is what kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary at the time, wrote in her personal notes and told the committee about prison trump's desire to go to the capital after retuing to the white house. >> when you wanted to walk to the capitol, was that based solely on what this president said during his speech or what anybody else afterwards?

mr engels said sir.need to remove hand, we're going back to the white house security stopped trump from going to capitalist hill, which his angry supporters stormed to prevent congress from passing the election results, the former president responded to the words of an employee with her false story that i tried to grab the steering wheel of a limousine and turn the capitol , sick and fraudulent as well as an unelected committee would do such a stupid thing. it is simply impossible, as the newspapers write, and the security guards and the limousine driver are ready to testify under oath and that trump will never did not try to snatch the steering wheel of an official car, but a special committee composed of opponents of the politician clearly will not allow such statements to be made at the hearings; after all, they were organized in order to prevent the former president from the future race for the white house. denis davydov and nikolai koshkin lead an american from the united states the court today sent

mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel, and when mr. ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicle. >> reporter: it wasn't the first time trump had exploded in rage. hutchinson described seeing what happened a month earlier, after attorney general bill barr declared that there was no significant fraud in the election. >> miss hutchinson, how did the president react to hearing that news? >> i first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall, and there was a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the attorney general's a.p. interview, and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> and ms. hutchinson, was this the only instance that you are aware of where the president threw dishes? >> it's not. there were several times throughout my tenure with the chief of staff that i was aware of him either flowing dishes or flipping the tablecloth, to let all the contents of the table go onto the floor and likely break or go everywhere. >> reporter:

>> he was. >> did mr. engel correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. ornato? >> mr. or disagree with any part of the story. >> did mr. engel or mr. ornato ever after that tell you that what mr. ornato had just said was untrue? >> neither mr. ornato nor mr. engel told me ever that it was untrue. >> and despite this altercation, this physical altercation, during the ride back to the white house, president trump still demanded to go to the capitol. here's what kayleigh mcenany, the white house press secretary at the time, wrote in her personal notes and told the committee about president trump's desire to go to the capitol after returning to the white house. >> when you wrote, potus wanted to walk to the capitol, was that based solely on what the president said during his speech? or anything that he or anybody else said afterwards? >> so, to the best of my recollection, i believe when we got back to the white house, he said he wanted to physically walk with the marchers and according to my notes, he then said, you'd be fine with just riding the beast. but to the best of

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to say nothing of the moments communicated to her with mr. engel and mr. ornato about that dramatic moment that played out inside the president's limousine when he put his hands on the wheel, on the neck of his top security individual aide as described, saying send this thing up to the capitol. >> and when people think of the beast, the presidential limo, very big sedan. in this case, we saw the picture of the president being wheeled away, he's in an suv, which is used from time to time. >> which would have enabled him to reach up. in the beast, i've never been inside, but there's glass. he could have reached to the steering wheel if it was in the front and the security aide who would have been sitting in the front. >> let me bring in -- very specific about what she heard and what she heard second hand. this was not a trial, we keep pointing out. it's not an impeachment, but it's interesting in terms of how we weigh her credibility. >> you will hear people complain, probably on the right, that a lot of this is here say. it's hutchinson reporting to her wha

. >> previously had mr. engel or any other member of the detail testified before the committee, and had they been asked specifically about what happened on that morning? >> well, i don't have a photographic memory from the reading the transcripts. it's been a while now since i read his transcript or mr. engel's. but we didn't have all the information we have now. those interviews took place quite some time ago. so, we may need to tag up with them. >> but wouldn't they have testified -- i mean, i assume you would have asked them about what happened on january 6, given they were -- >> let me just say that what ms. hutchinson, i thought, gave compelling testimony under oath. we fully expected that loyalists to the president would try and undercut her, belittle her, try and disparage her. and i think that is ongoing. but, you know, we'll put people under oath and see what they say then. >> so, you want those two, tony ornato and engel, to testify before the committee. >> i think he went under oath and stands by her te

mr. engel grabbed his arm, said "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol." mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. >> reporter: in the early hours of that day, hutchinson says trump was warned of people carrying weapons, including guns, descending on key landmarks in d.c., but that trump sought to have the metal detectors removed, concerned they'd reduce the size of his white house ellipse crowd. >> take the f'ing mags away. they're not here to hurt me. let them in. let my people in. they can march to the capitol after. the rally is over. >> president trump was aware a number of people in the crowd had weapons and were wearing body armor. and here is what president trump instructed the crowd to do. >> we're going walk down, and i'll be there with you. we're going walk down to the capitol. >> reporter: as rioters began their attack, the president wouldn't budge. hutchinson said she asked her boss, trump chief of staff mark meadows to intervene. >> the rioters are getting rea

mr engel grabbed his arm. said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capital. former president donald trump fought and argued with secret service agents for control of the presidential suv, as he demanded that he wanted to go back to the u. s capitol during the january 6th. insurrection all of that, according to testimony there today from an aide of former chief of staff mark meadows, cassidy. hutchinson provided detailed accounts of what she saw and what she heard on that day boxes madeline rivera as details from today's revelations. and today's surprise hearing the star witness and aid to former chief of staff mark meadows reveals some stunning outbursts from former president trump after his aides tried to rein him in on january 6th. thank you. you may be seated, former white house staffer cassidy hutchinson, testifying before the january 6th committee tuesday, hutchinson served as an aide to chief of staff mark meadows and said he was aware of the threat days before the capital riot something

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mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.e're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lung towards bobby engel. >> reporter: sources say the secret service agents involved are willing to respond under oath and plan to say there was no physical altercation in the vehicle. it comes as new questions emerge about a handwritten note shown by the committee. hutchinson testified she wrote the note as a potential statement for trump to release about the capitol riot but eric herschmann claims he, not hutchinson, wrote the note. hutchinson's attorney tweeting overnight ms. hutchinson testified under oath and recounted what she was told. those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath. former acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney also supporting hutchinson saying i know her. i don't think she's lying. meanwhile, hutchinson said trump was furious, more people were not allowed near the stage at his rally before the attack, some apparently unable to get

mr trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel. has responded, saying this is a "fake story "that is sick and fraudulent." today is the first time we have heard exactly what was happening inside the white house on the 6th of january, how the president's most senior advisers anticipated the violence and did little to stop it, and then asked trump for a presidential pardon so they couldn't be prosecuted. did white house chief of staff mark meadows ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon relating to the 6th of january? mr meadows did seek that pardon, yes, ma'am. first—hand evidence from someone who was right at the heart of the white house. sarah smith, bbc news. earlier, i spoke to frank bowman, professor of law at the university of missouri and former federal and state prosecutor, and he gave me his take on the hearing. of course, she added as your reporter said as well as the shocking indications that the president than actually tried to force his way up to the capital to lead the riot, but, to me,

mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engel and when mr.nato recounted story to me, he motioned the classify cals. >> he tried to grab the steering wheel, motioned towards his classifyic am. donald trump knew, andrea, the crowd at the ellipse the rally was carrying weapons. he was told that they were armed. he said, take down the megnetometers. they're not here to hurt me. he wanted, according to his testimony, to go to the capitol. he thought he was going to the capitol. when he found he was not going, he tried to force the car. let me reiterate, he knew they were armed. he said, they're not here to hurt me. our panel is back with us. chuck rosenberg, joyce vance. chuck, i want to get your reaction. >> i have a bunch of them, katie. i was thinking about believe it or not john f. kennedy's 1961 inaugural address, which i think is one of the most eloquent speeches delivered by an american president, which he said among other things, civility is not a sign of weakness, a lesson apparently lost on our former president who strikes me as a remar

mr. engels grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. e going back to the restaurant, not back to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunch forward, and they returned to the store, nursing his clavicles. >> the former president responded to today's hearing, calling cassidy hutchinson a, quote, total phony and a liquor. so, is hutchinson credible? we asked our own personal analyst, laura garcia. >> this is the most interesting part how it is in such detail. she was in the room so much of the time. will she be discredited? will there be things with a follow-up? we don't know. at this time, it looks like what she is saying is, there will be an appeal. >> a source close to secret service tells nbc news, the secret service agent, bobby engels, and the trump aid are all prepared to dispute hutchinson's account. both men are literally willing to testify under oath. they will say that mr. trump never longed for the car's steering wheel. >>> the fda is pushing for new covid booster shots that better protect against the more contagiou

mr. engel grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol." mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. >> reporter: in the early hours that day, hutchinson said trump was warned of people carrying weapons, including guns, descending on key landmarks in d.c. but that trump sought to have the metal detectors removed, concerned they'd reduce the size of his white house ellipse crowd. >> "take the f'ing mags away. they're not here to hurt me.wd. >> "ta let my people in." they can march to the capitol after the rally is over." >> president trump was aware that a number of the individuals in the crowd had weapons and were wearing body armor. and here's what president trump instructed the crowd to do. >> we're going to walk down, and i'll be there with you. we're going to walk down to the capitol. >> reporter: as rioters began their attack, the president wouldn't budge. hutchinson says she asked her boss, trump chief of staff mark meadows, to intervene. >> the rioters are get