mr. engelberg's cost. you can't paint some of that wall because the trels prohibits it. >> i need to make one comment. it's ridiculous to ask us to come to an agreement because it has not happened. the only progress made last week is that butler on her behalf asked her to remove the trels. her response was she put wiring around it so it was totally impossible to remove it or move around it. she's going in the opposite direction of what you want to do. i can tell you after 15 years to asking to us take any further steps negotiate ing with her in good faith is a waste of my money and your time and your money. >> that puts us in the position to have no choice of pursue the negotiation of violation. if you are stuck. >> we are stuck. >> we are not saying we are deciding one way or the other right now. we would like to see if you can make one more effort to reach out. that's all. >> commissioner mccarthy. >> i kind of got side tracked. i thought we were moving in the right direction. i understand the tensions a