mr. epstein, we're big kids. i'm not going to do this. i'm not going to.e said, well, if i can get you the proof, will you? i said i c've been promised tha proof going on two years now, you suddenly have it? and he said, yeah, i got it. we can get it to you. i said you put that on my desk in the next three days, that would be an interesting piece of pile to see. make sure it's what i asked for. it's got the thing, and i told you what i got was, you know, some committee testimony from congress, a term paper, a couple of letters, and a bunch of tear sheets, all of which didn't prove anything. it proved that there were tear sheets. it proved that somebody had a hearing, but not the proof you need for doing something so incredible as what we were faced with. >> do you think what rudy giuliani, boris enstpstein, any these other attorneys, do you think what they did rises to the level of criminal behavior in your view? >> i'm -- that's not my -- that's above my pay grade. i don't decide what's criminal or not. i think america can decide and will, and i think the

mr. epstein was trying to get convince me that was a good bill and that i should do it.e had a sort of, he had five or six shots at trying to find a pivot that he could get me to accept, that it was a good idea. none of them were good ideas. and i wouldn't do it. that was our conversation, just to support the effort and i would not do that. i have a little more respect for what i do than that. >> did you see that as him pressuring you? >> him being epstein, never threatened me in the least. i asked him, what about, this what about that? i finally said, i should've seen, were -- i'm not gonna do this. i'm not going to. -- i can promise that proof going on two years now. he suddenly have it? he said, yeah, i got it. we can give it to you. i said, well you put that up on my desk the next three days, that would be an interesting piece of pile to see. make sure that it is what i ask for? -- i told you what i got was, you know, some committee testimony from congress. a term paper, a couple of letters. and a bunch of tear sheets. all of which didn't prove anything. it proves th

mr. epstein later, that he had said that he had proof, and was kind of part of this in the arizona angle. he been in my position, i have no doubt that he would have tried to exercise this plenary power of the state legislature to an excessively strange degree that would have had a terrible consequence for our state -- and the state of the country picks all right, for arizona house speaker, thank you so much . >>> coming up, the racist gunman who shot and killed 23 people, many of them latino at a texas walmart. he was s sentenced today, the victims families react, next. . sadie is moving to t the big ciy and making moves on n her plan, too. apple one, on. now she's got plenty of entertainmentt for the whole ride. finally there! hot spot, on. and she's fully connected before her internet is even installed. (sadie) hi, mom! (mom) how's the apartment? (vo) introducing myplan. get exactly what you want, only pay for what you need. act now and get it for $25 when you bring your phones. it's your verizon. ♪ (cheery music) - they get it. and more importantly...ey k. it works for them. - i don't

mr. epstein is still overseeing lawyers on trump's legal team. he has appeared on this before. he has not done reports lately. both faced the long arm of the law, including having phones seized. it was an attempted coup. we know that. elector fraud under scrutiny. we know that continue all the way up to january 6th with gop electors trying to put those fraudulent election materials in the hands of vp pence. you can see in this schematic a text they thought would remain secret of a vp aid trying to prevent the elector fraud and forgeries being handed to pence. that was right around there, middle of the day. that was one more thwarted scheme as they turned to a physical insurrection. that looks even worse with the evidence i've told you about, because we know that trump first summoned those people to washington for what became the sedition on the very night his other plot to seize the voting machines failed after this infamously unhinged meeting, which we now know jack smith is also probing. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. flynn screamed at me that i was a quitter

mr. biden smash fundraising efforts has not yet turned on and there are ample signs that it may be months before it does. joining me now is the times reporter behind that story, reed epstein the biden campaign explain the lack of small donor energy? >> it depends on who you talk to, chris. everybody in the campaign seems to understand that they believe that small donor energy will come later in the campaign, once there is a republican nominee, and there's a choice set up between president biden and donald trump or one of his rivals for that nomination. but what we've seen over the last several months is a broad slowdown across both parties in online fundraising. it's much harder now to raise money from donors, particularly progressive donors than it was in 2020 or 2022. tech companies made it more difficult. i heard from a lot of people in reporting the story last week that joe biden is not the kind of presidential nominee or president who is, you know, he's not an insurgent candidate. he's not someone who has college students putting posters on the wall. as one in past campaigns told me. that makes it harder for his campaign to get to some of these people who are going t