mr. erodgan.at the end of the day, he really got away with the protest blaming half of the country in the bed with the western powers. and since then, same rhetoric. it's very unfortunate for a country that was so close to realistic, and realplayer in the region -- a real player in the region, now become like any middle eastern authoritarian regime. we explain every single problem as a plot, including -- including the mr. zarrab case. we don't know what mr. zarrab is going to talk about. once he is talking, i think, according to experts, he will implicate lots of other people and we won't see those indictments very soon. so if he is talking, this may trigger events that may go on for a while. and nobody knows from turkey's side, who is in the indictment list. >> it sounds like this could be a real pandora's box for u.s.-turkish relationships laying out a minefield for us to , navigate in the near future. you agree with the assessment? >> yes. >> on that optimistic note, we will end for today. than