mr. farrelly, i don't think that's the right characterization. i think the word that i didn't, that i didn't want know but dr. coffee is right, this notion of vicarious liability is right. the matter of law and the courts and the question of paying for the defense is one thing. there's a question of the court awarding damages and the company being vicariously liable for those things is another. again, it seems like we're engaging in legal speculation -- >> i don't want, i'm sure you are engaged in legal speculation because i see your lawyer nodding in unison with you. but we're back in the position where you will be effectively supporting the man who hacked millie dowd's phone s. that right or wrong? >> i think your characterization, and i'm happy to come back -- i don't think your characterization of our supporting mr. mullcare is right. the management this committee has taken into review legal expenses of various people armed these matters, has taken a view to cease paying legal expenses as my father, when he testified to you in july, indicated