ferrell's part. we also heard from mr. sutton that the only way mark ferrell found out about the contributions is when he went to the ethics website. what prompted him, when did he find out there was something he should look at and that tells me somebody was telling him something is wrong, but we don't know who. i think the timing on that also is something that is relevant. why should say withdraw the waiver letter, let forfeiture pro and if they want to fight it out in court, maybe more information will be provided. >> thank you. any other public comment? >> good afternoon, david pill pell gel, speaking as an individual. this has turned into a really good commission meeting with lots of back and forth and some of us are learning a lot. two, the sutton letter provided to the public only offered a number of pages. thanks to staff for fixing that. we have had a chance to read the full letter. the proposed letter actually has i believe the wrong dollar amount. so if the letter does go, the amount should be corrected. fourth, a

mr. head. [ applause ] >> thank you very much. thank you to -- certainly to the foundation for hosting this event and also you got to enjoy comments that fold in, a will ferrell and a tupac reference in their comments. thank you for that, nick. so let me just say that budgets are important, systems are important, policies are important, but the reason why this conversation really at the core of it, why it is important is because good policy good systems, good budgets are really they serve people. and so really human dignity is elemental. the core of freedom. as freedom flows, through personal choices, conflict is inevitable. so the question becomes, can a nation create a system that can resolve those conflicts as ronald reagan once put it to result in the ultimate and individual freedom consistent with law and order. there is no doubt safety and security are the ultimate end of our criminal justice system. but at the faith and freedom coalition, we believe that every government enterprise must begin and end by acknowledging and preserving the dignity of every single person involved, created in the image we believe -- of our creator. so as national attention d

mr. head. [applause] >> thank you very much. thank you to the foundation for hosting this event. also, you have to enjoy comments that fold in a low federal and a tupac -- will ferrell and tupac reference. [laughter] let me just say that these systems are important but they reason why this conversation is important is because good policy, good systems, good budgets really serve people. really, human dignity is elemental at the core. of freedom. as freedom" to the personal choices -- conflict is inevitable. the question becomes can and nation create a system that can resolve those conflicts -- as ronald reagan would put it -- to result in the ultimate end -- an individual freedom with law and order. there is no doubt safety and security are the ultimate end of our criminal justice system but at the faith and freedom coalition, we believe every government enterprise must begin and end by analogy and preserving the dignity of every single person involved. created in the image of our creator. as national attention does focus more and more on the huge number of americans state and federal a presence -- federal prisons -- not enough attention is paid to our gel systems. y