mr. ferriero? >> i'm not sure they equate. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. missing material, missing material, missing records, missing records. the same? agreed? >> missing material. >> yeah. >> and then we haven't followed the rule of law. so everybody is scared to death there's one application to bureaucrats and there's another application to the regular lay people on street. you know, it defies me. miss o'connor, i mean you've been in the clinton white house. you used to help with the clinton administration with the teamster union strike. in fact, you've been quoted as being a veteran of washington battles. would you agree with that? >> i've been here a long time. >> so you know the process, right? >> i'm not sure which process you're referring to. >> the bureaucratic inside the beltway politics process, you know about these recordkeeping and aspect of that, as well? >> i'm not a recordkeeping expert. certainly i -- >> but you're an attorney. you have to know when there's a problem and you don't have record or there is a problem with records, you know to

mr. cummings said, worked as the primary deliverer of discovery to this committee while at the irs. the honorable david ferriero is the archivist and he's accompanied by mr. paul wester and i ask that he be able to answer questions and he'll be sworn in and my understanding for all of us is that mr. wester is the man most knowledgeable of working with cios throughout government to ensure that the federal records act are adhered to and as a result is in fact -- mr. ferriero i appreciate you bringing him and knows the most of what's been asked of government and what government should and would deliver and at what budget. with that i would ask that you all please rise pursuant to committee rules and take the oath. please raise your right hands high, please. thank you. do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth. let the record reflect that all witnesses answered in the affirmative. for those who have not testified here before, there's a five-minute clock in front of you. i do not gavel people at five minutes but as you see it go yellow