. >> well, mr. ferro has said that motherhood is punished due to the choice that women make.point. but he didn't tell us the other half. that is being a father and being married actually help man in the workplace. it punishes women. we have a lot of data hat shows that the employer looks at the women even if she's not married yet and thinks of her as a potential mother. so maybe i better not hire her, maybe i better not pay quite as much. i certainly don't want to promote her because she might get pregnant and drop out of the workforce. john: is he employer supposed worry about that? >> that is because the culture in our society punishes women for being mothers. there is no organize childcare, for example. >> women start asking a different set of questions. many say, what do i one of my life? i want to make more personal time or do i want more time to have children and women are more likely to say that i want a balanced life. so they don't go to the highest level because they are not stupid. john: thank you. recently sheryl sandberg wrote a book called lean in and she got att

. >> well, mr. ferro has said that motherhood is pnished due to the choice that women make.point. but he didn't tell us the other half. that is beig a father and being married actually help man in the workplace. it punishes women. we have a lot of data that shows that the employer looks at the women even if she's not married yet and thinks of her as a potential mother. so maybe i better not hire her, maybe i better not pay quite as much. i certainly don't want to promote her because she might get pregnant and drop out of the workforce. john: is the employer supposed worry about that? >> that is because the culture in our society punishes women for being mothers. there no organize childcare, for example. >> women start asking a different set of questions. many say, what do i one of my life? i want to make more personal time or do i want more time to have children and women are more likely to say that i want a balanced life. so they don't go to the highest level because they are not stupid. john: thank you. recently sheryl sandberg wrote a book called lean in and she got atten