mr. filner. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. dr. satel, with regard to your proposal, are you saying the veteran will not seek the treatment, the disabled veteran, because he has financial obligations and also maybe possibly because of a stigma? and then i want to also -- well, why don't you ask -- why don't you answer that question first? >> well, the reason for the financial stipend would be because if we expect people to be in treatment and even if the possibility was endorsed of actually requiring it and i know that's very controversial, meaning requiring it as a condition of being considered for disability, you certainly can't expect somebody to be in treatment, intensive care before -- intensive care that, a, that takes up a lot of their time where they would otherwise be working or that they are simply not fit to work. you can't expect that of them without -- without providing income support. >> and i definitely need -- and definitely we have to have this stipend if we go forward with this. the other question is, how long --