maybe mr. frye? >> the way the ordinance is written that any type of basic, general maintenance to remediate the problems would not require a c of a. major changes may still require a c of a. we would like your feedback on that and also would be interested in hearing from the community. tim? >> this was our attempt to appease both sides of the coin in that there is concern about the quality of the pavers and water remediation with the parking garage, so this takes it out of the equation to deal with the issues, so hopefully they can be dealt with as efficiently and economically as possible, but as ms. desiree smith said, any new built structures within the plaza or major alterations would not be covered by this exclusion. and so those would still require a certificate of appropriateness. >> commissioner pearlman: so you are saying essentially that if the fountain and all of the items were originally there and brought back, they would go through the full c of a process? >> yes. >> commissioner johns:

so, mr. frye? >> commissioners, i was going to reframe what our thinking of the process would be moving forward is if this commission -- because this commission has passed resolutions in favour of a national register nomination with the condition that certain edits be tidied up before the state hears the item. you could do that, in this case, and your recommendation is still advice to the state commission if they decide to agree with it or disagree wit, that is their discretion. i think what ms. mcmillan and mr. knapp have said is they're willing to work together quickly to address these edits so that way when mr. knapp is at the state commission can say he's addressed this commission's concerns. i think that is still an appropriate approach. if you don't, i mean, we're certainly open to other options. >> it's fine. you know, i heard a number of people, including maybe the director of the ymc, or mr. knapp said something that the ymca, you know, i feel this kind of vibration about gotta get done, g

i was hoping mr. frye was here. i sent an i.f. to jonas to send around an article that was in the chronicle about the historic houses, a number of houses that were illegally torn down and it's a very interesting problem because, you know, so often we hear these stories and it's so far out of the hands of the architect, the engineers, the planning staff, because it is, you know, an owner, typically a developer who takes it upon themselves to make some decisions in the field. and i know that the finds often are, you know, not commensurate with the problem. i was just wondering if, you know, especially when it is a historic building, you know, if we could have a further conversation, if it's something we can schedule a conversation about. how to address this. i don't know if the staff is specifically already looking at -- thank you. >> sorry, this isn't technically on your agenda, but the planning commission has raised that exact same issue and we're looking at more robust ways to make sure there is, number one, better communication

that's more of a comment, mr. frye, less of a question. i guess i'm just -- i wasn't here in 2009. it's very unfortunate that the sale of the tdr was so low and didn't actually assist them in the seismic update. i want to make sure that that will happen, but i'm not sure if we want that through the central soma plan. the $20 million -- the additional $20 million of tdr that will be sold, how can that be spent? is that limited to the buildings that are selling their tdrs? >> they're currently not allowed to sell their tdr. as you have noted, they're required to spend that money on their own rehabilitation. it will be a new funding source for the neighborhood. >> councillor tang: thank you so much. i know that many members of the public are here. and so i did want to move to public comment and then i do have many more questions so i do want to appreciate our department members to be here to answer additional questions and i'm sure that questions will come up from members of the community. and i also want to recognize that along with many of our community-based organizations and affor

. >> mr. frye. i understand there is a new architect so they will be coming up with a completely new approach. would that be something that would then come back to the a.r.c.? >> that would be our intents, yes. >> i don't know if we want to wait until then to sort of see what they're planning. and i agree. i mean, i don't anticipate there's any new information relative to the report. the case report. i don't know if we want to suggest two meetings out, three meetings out. >> the first one in march, the first hearing in march. >> commissioner highland? >> i think that the designation and the proposed project are two separate processes. and out of courtesy, i wouldn't be opposed to continuing this for a hearing or two. but as we talked about on the peace pagoda, the landmark designation will provide a lot of guidance for the new team and the design. so waiting for that project shouldn't be syncked up, in my opinion, with the designation. >> maybe march then? >> march 7 or the 21st are your options. >>

. >> one quick question, mr. frye. national register nomination, or actually on the register versus local landmark, if you can very briefly, what is the difference in terms of level of protection that the resource has. >> great question. the national register doesn't provide any sort of local binding protection other than through the ceqa process. however, as a certified local government, our historic preservation commission provides review and comment to changes to those buildings. or to list those buildings on the national register. we send our comments to the state commission for review and comment. >> so, is one of these buildings, the women's building, eligible for the state register now because it is on the national register? >> that is correct. well, once a building is listed on the national register, it is automatically listed on the california register. >> ok. and those are protected -- >> well, through ceqa and through the federal and state regulatory processes. a local entitlement would not be required such

. >> thank you, mr. frye. >> seeing no other reports, we can move on to general public comment at this time. members of the public may address members of the commission. except agenda items. with respect to agenda item, your opportunity to address the commission will be afforded went the item is reached in the meeting. each member of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes. i did have a couple of speaker cards. >> yeah. jerry dratler and georgia sciudice. >> i have some materials to hand out. >> place them there, please. >> oh, i'm sorry. good afternoon. my name is jerry dratler. i served on the civil grand jury and city commission. i was a member of the 2012 civil grand jury that wrote the report that was very critical of d.v.i. a friend suggested that i watch the segment of the december 14 planning commission meeting that focused on the bogus architectural plans prepared by mr. santos for 214 state street. my neighbours and i have the same bogus plan experience in 2016. when mr. santos

mr. knapp, i'm sorry. tim frye, department staff. if i could interrupt for a second. i don't believe this would feel to come before the commission again. so, that may address your concern. i think what the commission would do is direct staff to make edits and send a positive resolution to the state commission. >> at the state level, you may want to make the tweaks. >> commissioner johnck? >> i'd like the get this right. thinking about what mr. churney said about the coit tower. [laughter] and i think if all of this is a tweak and the staff can get it done. i mean, i'm just -- >> mr. knapp would be doing it and staff would be reviewing it. correct. ok. >> the something usually the commissions have to get out the agenda with the staff report, well it's probably 10 or 15 days ahead of february 2. so -- >> 16 days from now. >> and that is only 16 days from now. so, i'm wondering -- that is what i'm wondering about. i do think that we should get this right and if it is just a tweak they can get it. that would be getting to it staff and check on when their deadline is. toda