mr. fugate. mr. kebbel, you are now recognized for five minutes. >> [inaudible] as a blinded veteran, i've had an opportunity to assist other blinded veterans on how to use web sites. we've done a good job of describing what 508 is, compliance. we've dope a good job of -- we've done a good job of stating that we need to do something about it. i want to talk about what we haven't done yet, okay? as i -- i was asked to investigate ten web sites or ten web pages for this testimonial. i had the opportunity to design, with some help from some other blind veterans, a form that helped us to evaluate each of those web payments. in my -- web pages. in my opinion, each of those web pages failed. each of those web pages failed in different areas, some very major and some very minor. when i get the opportunity to read a web page, i would like to be able to navigate properly, and i can do that with headings. and headings is a way for a nonvisual person like myself to to navigate a web page. one of the pages i