mr. fuhrman wanted to speak to us and offer any help that he could with his expertise as a detective. >>is he? >> not currently -- not at that time he wasn't. >> did you tell mark fuhrman that you forgot to take the ladder down? >> no, sir, i did not. >> former lapd detective mark fuhrman joins us now. mark, anything wrong with that account? >> well, you know, cindy anthony is describing this, she's forgetting that she called the producer of greta's show and asked if i could talk to them after the show. and that's what we did. that lasted about 2 1/2 hours, three hours. george and cindy were both there and during that exchange, i listened to a to the of statements about the previous 31 days before they discovered caylee was missing and then the last three weeks in the search for caylee and, of course, casey's situation. but the interesting part about this that kind of focused my attention was when they started describing the way that caylee was learning to swim and at a certain point when caylee was able to climb a ladder, they were obsessive about taking the ladder down when they were d