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mr. galvin. trying to say look, when you say how many people are employed in the health care industry i give you overall number. we include guys who sweep the floors. we include doctors and nurses. same things for green jobs industry. why is that bad or wrong or in any way dishonest? >> well, megyn there is about 120 million jobs in america. if you were to count using his system, different industries you would end up with 600 million jobs because the kinds of things they count obviously count elsewhere. you understand that a lobbyist for an oil company, the question is that a green job? the answer was yes. the way they got to 3.1 million, they lumped in things nobody thinks of as green jobs but more importantly they lumped in things that everyone knows are not new jobs. the person who fuels a bus is not a new job. and yet they wanted to score them. and in their own testimony they admitted that if you went back years and applied this you would find millions of jobs that qualified long before, not

mr. galvin, you did not want to come here as a witness, you are not a delighted witness, so let's just go this. i asked you a question, you know the answer. would you, please, answer it? if you sweep the floor in a solar panel facility, is that a green job? >> yes. >> thank you. if you drive a hybrid bus, public transportation, is that a green job? >> according to our definition, yes. >> thank you. what if you're a college professor teaching classes about environmental studies? >> yes. >> what about just any school bus driver? >> yes. >> what about the guy who puts gas in the school bus? >> yes. >> how about employees at a bicycle shop? >> i guess i'm not sure about that. >> the answer is, yes, according to your definition. [laughter] martha: oh, boy. that was uncomfortable, right? here to debate this, simon rosen werg is the president and founder of ndn and a former clinton campaign adviser, and marc thiessen, a former speech writer for president bush. welcome to both of you. marc, let me start with you. you know, this has a lot of people scratching their heads. are you kidding me? if yo