mr. garland did his job and unlike mr. barr, he didn't interview. did mr. garland ask you to change your report at all? >> he did not, sir. >> didn'try dakota a thing? >> mr. barr redacted anything and made it look different than it was. mr. garland and you did right. the department of justice allows the special counsels to investigate and prosecute the facts if it's afforded. joe biden's actions in handling classified materials is similar to other vice president and vice president except donald trump. did you receive any pressure from mr. garland or staff to make any specific legal conclusion or finding? >> no. >> did you receive are resources necessary to carry out your duties or treated differently to independents and resources than other d.o.j. special prosecutors? >> no. >> do you have any reason to believe the attorney general was interfering with jack smith or his work? >> i have really -- i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your declaration we should treat prosecutorial decisions by jack smith the same way. >> i do not have the suffic

mr. garland did his job, and unlike mr. barr, he did not interfere. did mr. garland ask you to change your report? >> no. >> mr. barr redacted the report. the department of justice is independent and allows the special counsel to investigate. let's start with yes or no questions. did you receive any pressure from mr. garland or his staff to make any specific factual finding or legal conclusion? >> no. >> did you receive resources necessary to carry out your duties? >> yes. >> do you have any reason to believe you were treated differently with regard to independents or resources than other doj or special prosecutors? >> no. >> was anybody interviewing with jack smith or his work? >> i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your summation, which we treat as thoughtful and unpolitical, we should treat decisions by jack smith the same way to your knowledge? >> i do not have sufficient information with regard to jack smith see investigation to provide any comment on it. >> let me ask you this, if president biden in his testimony to you, knew the exact da

mr. garland did his job. and unlike mr. barr, he didn't interfere, did mr. garland asked you to change your report at all? >> he did not, sir. >> didn't redact the thing? >> no, sir. >> like mr. barr, did he redacted everything and made the muller report looks like 180 degrees different than what it was mr. garland did. right. and you did, right. and i commend each of you that of justice's independent and allows the special counsels to investigate and prosecute the facts. if supported. >> joe biden's actions >> and handling of classified materials is similar to most other former presidents and vice presidents. exception is donald trump. so let's start with some yes or no questions did you receive any pressure from mr. garland or his staff to make any specific specific factual finding our legal conclusion, no. >> did you >> receive the resources necessary to carry out your duties? >> yes. >> do you have any reasonably that you were treated differently with regard to independence or resources than other doj special prosecutors? >> no. >> based on your experienc

mr. garland may might have made one big one not recognizing that he could end up racing against the clock what do you think of all that >> what >> what were some of the feelings? i don't want to get you to talk about everything that was going on in the white house when you were there there had to have been i have to think there had to have been some frustration with how slowly things were moving when it came to the investigation into what donald trump did on january 6, around january 2, well, i can tell you. >> i mean, there was also appreciation and understanding of the fact that needing to do this by the book, needing to have any proceedings be bullet proof in terms of any suggestion that there was inappropriate or undo political influence from president biden or from the white house was important. i think it's, it's very easy to look back now and second guessed the timeline. i'm certainly not going to second guess the attorney general. i'm not a lawyer. >> obviously, >> these things are complicated in many factors. go into determining how and when to move forward and what the justice d

mr. garland might have made. one big one not recognizing that he could end up racing the clock okay your sense of it, and i mean, here we are butting up against the 2024 presidential election. and the trump trial on january 6, the jack smith's case may not make it to trial before the election yeah, that's a huge problem. >> and look, i >> don't want to be one to say the doj should do this or that because again, i'm, i'm not a lawyer and i don't want to appear like we want this done for political reasons, but the american people deserve to know the information they deserve to know the truth and what was frustrating on the committee is after we did our first hearing in the summer, blockbuster hearing, and people are like, oh, my goodness, they have a lot of people that are testifying. a lot of republicans. it was then that it seemed the department of justice's like holy cow, we need to pursue this a year later after we've already done a lot of the investigation and they had more tools at their disposal. so i think

mr. garland might have made one big one. not recognizing that he could end up racing the clock.e much of the political world in official washington, he and his team did not count on mr. trump's political res reaction after january 6th. and his fast victory in the 2024 republican presidential primary. which is complicating the prosecution and given the former president leverage in court. joining me nuto discuss is jill wine banks, former assistant watergate special prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, and cohost of the sisters in law podcast. jill, thank you for joining us tonight on "the reidout." i am -- i am who they speak. i am one of the many people who has been complaining for years that merrick garland has taken too much time. that it's not just an issue of caution. it almost looks like complicity at this particular point. in your perspective, given your political experience, given your legal experience, is there any justification for why merrick garland has worked so slowly in a situation that was so -- it continues to be so absolutely crucial to the future of this country? >

mr. garland, what took so long. andrew, can you answer that, spablely after reading this piece? had several reactions. first, i do think it is important that people realize that the truth here is not probably black and white. in other words, it is not possible to say that the department of justice did nothing, for one, they prosecuted hundreds of people at the ground level and slightly above that. because the oath keepers and the proud boys were difficult and righteous cases. and they also did open some investigative avenues and were exploring certain things prior to the january 6 hearings. but that being said, there is just no getting around that they made public statements at the time about how they were doing a bottom up investigation as if they were going after an organized crime family or enron and seeing if they could flip people from the bottom to the top and i remember writing for "the new york times," after cassidy hutchinson testified and there were reports that the department of justice didn't know anything about her, that this was just the wrong approach and i think

mr. garland. i should add on the apple lawsuit that we are getting new information from a briefing, a background that's going on, where a justice department official is not ruling out a potential breakup of apple, saying that structural remedies are one possibility here, assuming they win this lawsuit and get to the penalty phase. >> that is why these are so controversial. the controversy surrounding the antitrust legislation. we are having a technical freeze here. let's keep going. we will be back in just a moment. a month, each lasting 4 hours or more - can be overwhelming. so, ask your doctor about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments have been given to over eight hundred and fifty thousand chronic migraine patients. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as diffi

mr. garland had previously said that to the extent possible he was going to make all of these types of reports public. that is a terrible way to conduct business as a federal prosecutor. we open cases all the time. we close cases all the time. some of the cases we close, we close without bringing charges and we do not speak publicly about why we close cases. so to that extent, chris, i think the special counsel regulations are flawed. i agree it's time to kill the special counsel. there is no perfect alternative but if i was in charge for a day, i would leave it to the mechanisms of the department of justice to bring cases, either prosecute them or decline them in the ordinary fashion. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you. now, one issue brought up time and again by lawmakers in the hur hearing is where exactly presidents biden and trump kept their classified information. >> president biden did not insert executive privilege or claim absolute immunity for presidential crimes. he did not hide boxes of documents under his bed or in a bathtub. >> is it now okay if i take home top secret documents, store

mr. garland said he would place no restrictions on their work. this is the work of the the investigators, even if the evidence leads to trump, again, that jives with all of the reporting we've done in the last couple of years on this, he said followed the connective tissue upward according to the times. now, the big question now jake is where does this leave us right? if the supreme >> court hears this appeal in on april 20, and if they come back quickly, or perhaps some time before their deadline before they leave and june right. and say that trump doesn't have immunity and restarts these trials how much appetite is there in the justice department and garland could, at some point tell his prosecutors, we need to ask the judge to pause this right >> of course. >> all of this yeah. >> is now in the hands >> of the judges. they're the ones that will decide whether this happens before the election. >> all right. evan perez, thanks so much. let's next to the dramatics today on capitol hill, a new attempt to remove mike johnson as house speaker anothe

mr. garland did right and u did right.secute the facts supported. joe biden's actions of handling ossified. >> did you receive any pressure to make specific factual finding or >> did you receive resources necessary to carry out your duties? >> yes. >> do you have any reason to believe that you were treated differently in regards to resources that other doj special prosecutor's? >> based on your experience as special counsel, do you have any reason to believe the attorney general is with jack smith or his? >> i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your declaration, which we treat as thoughtful and political, we should treat decisions by jack smith the same way. >> i really do not have the sufficient information with respect to jack smith's investigation to provide any comment on it. >> let me ask you this. president biden in his testimony to you knew the exact date january 20 or whatever it was, became vice president. he left january the 20th. 2009 and january 2017. he knew the state exactly right. if you knew

mr. garland did right and you did right.he department of justice is to investigate and prosecute the facts supported. joe biden's actions of handling ossified. >> did you receive any pressure to make specific factual finding or legal conclusion? >> no. >> did you receive resources necessary to carry out your duties? >> yes. >> do you have any reason to believe that you were treated differently in regards to resources that other doj special prosecutor's? >> based on your experience as special counsel, do you have any reason to believe the attorney general is with jack smith or his? >> i do not have the basis to answer that question. >> your declaration, which we treat as thoughtful and political, we should treat decisions by jack smith the same way. >> i really do not have the sufficient information with respect to jack smith's investigation to provide any comment on it. >> let me ask you this. president biden in his testimony to you knew the exact date january 20 or whatever it was, became vice president. he left january the

mrs. mohsen, whose bursting of a syringe garland caused her temporary cardiac arrest.ng a woman who was a bazaar, apparently because of the sound of progress that they threw in front of you. in the last wednesday of the year, the most injuries in the country were related to burns or amputations. out of 338 injured people , unfortunately, 8 people lost their lives. unfortunately, 28 of these muslims were amputated. deterioration and 113 cases of damage we also saw that 159 people were burned due to the use of incendiary materials. doctors say that skin burns are divided into four degrees. the first type is superficial burns. it is mostly during sunburns. sunburns. the second degree is a bit deeper. it is divided into second-degree burns and second-degree burns, which means we enter third-degree burns or fourth-degree burns. especially morning burns, these definitely need surgery. called to he said come behind us, i went upstairs and saw that they were making it , then i said let me make it myself, so i took it in my hand let me fix it, akil syranj. yes, the hand of one

mrs. mohsen, whose bursting of a syringe garland caused her temporary cardiac arrest. being a woman who was in the market apparently because the sound of knocking in front of their heels, they are scared , they are in trouble, they are unconscious, i am coming to your house , there is a market nearby, there is a market , i don't believe it, it is very bad, my son, i told you to come and help , call the ambulance and tell me. i'm in such a bad mood , you don't even know how i was. you fainted , yes. i had been gone, sir, according to the emergency statistics of the country, until the moment of producing this report from the first of march so far, 44 people have been injured in incidents related to the last wednesday of the year, and unfortunately 10 people have lost their lives. also, 37 people were amputated. 138 people had their eyes damaged and 196 people suffered burns. doctors say skin burns are divided into four degrees. the first type. there are superficial burns, mostly in the course of sunburns. second degree sunburns are a bit deeper and are divided into secon

mr. chairman, a unanimous request to include in the record, a september 11 letter from the special counsel of the president to special counsel hur and a letter to merrick garland. with that, mr. chairman, i see my time has expired and i yield back. >> mr. hur, why did you do it? why did joe biden willfully retain and disclose classified material? he knows the law. he has been in office like 50 years. five decades in the senate. chairman of the foreign relations committee. eight years -- as vice president. he has been to the situation room. you know that he knew the rules because you said so on day 26. president biden was deeply familiar with the measures taken to safeguard classified documents. joe biden knew the rules. mr. armstrong said this earlier. joe biden was deeply familiar with it and he told us that joe biden says how could this happen and what data was in the documents that could compromise sources. you know that joe biden know the rules until biden knew the rules. mr. hur, why did he break them ? >> congressman, the conclusion as to why exactly the president did what he did is not one that we explicitly address in the report. the report explains my

ag garland: once again i will go to mr.specifics, but in general, this lawsuit is not aimed at every kind of vetting or other activity that apple does with respect to the app store. it is aimed at exclusionary conduct. as we have set forth in the complaint, there are many things of that exclusionary conduct that do not help security and in fact some that actually harm security. so i will leave it to mr. kanter to describe this in more specifics. mr. kanter: thank you, attorney general. privacy and security are extremely important values. competition makes devices and services more private and more secure. our complaint explains very clearly why the legal exclusionary conduct apple is engaged in is not necessary to protect privacy, while the legal and exclusionary conduct apple has engaged in is not necessary to protect security and privacy. in fact, as the attorney general mentioned, our complaint explains that in many instances, apples conduct has made its ecosystem less private and less secure.

mr. hur followed the protocols. and merrick garland reviewed it and said i'm going to publish it without making any redactions. but, the key is the biden team told mr. hur take it out. and he said nope, it is staying in. >> ainsley: that was his way of saying we are not going to charge him or send him to court for this. yet, when it documents donald trump, is he able to stand trial. >> brian: right. yes. and is he three years younger even though the president keeps saying they are the same age. also what he would do is go into a classified meeting and he would leave the documents there but he would take notes and leave with the note cards and notebooks. yeah. it doesn't say classified but you copied over the classified material onto the note cards. don't tell me you don't know better. here is the fbi director crimp wray revealing that the fbi doesn't have. >> steve: whole different talking point. >> brian: i will hold off on that. i will say, this he is obsessed with afghanistan, the other story line through this. which i wouldn't be s

mr. paul teller to attorney general garland. that is noting the significant spike in anti-somatic animalism and violence across the united states and asking the department of justice on education who have jurisdiction over these matters to ensure that they are following up on what is assigned by numerous groups across the country. i now recognize the lady from wyoming. >> the doj put out a statement for noncitizen borrowers under the equal credit opportunity act. i sent you a letter on november 6th and have yet to receive a response. the civil rights division enforces the equal credit opportunity act and you are quoted in the press release offered for this guidance that worries -- warns to not use immigration status for the ability to take out a loan. the equal credit opportunity act does not ask presley determine immigration status. this will dissuade financial institutions for considering all legally permitted factors regarding payment which could cause very severe damage to our financial institutions. it seems that your divis

mr. attorney general. >> all right. there's the attorney general, merrick garland announcing this major antitrust suit against apple. essentially accusing the tech giant of constructing things with its iphone to basically knock out the rest of the competition in a very lucrative market. let's talk about it with cnn legal analyst and former department of justice counsel, carry core and trip mikel tech reporter for the new york times, who has been covering apple since 2016 carry you just heard the attorney general just a few moments ago here with me in the studio. i mean, they are making no bones about this. they think that apple essentially what an iphone monopoly, those the words that i heard of use >> yeah, i mean, this is a really huge case brought by the justice department's antitrust division consistent with some other cases that they have brought, they've had a big case against google. and so this administration has made it a point to direct their attention and their law enforcement and their regulatory attention towards the tech sector and all of the big tech companies this apple case, i thought was really int

garland told prosecutors to focus on the money. department leaders believed the best way to justify prosecuting mr. trump and the willard plotters was to find financial links between them and the rioters because they thought it would be more straightforward and less risky than a case based on untested election interference charges. look, we have the benefit of evaluating that thinking in hindsight, didn't turn out to be true, but what do you think about the fact they started by taking that approach? let's connect the money. we hear about that all the time, follow the money. >> again, these things are not mutually exclusive. that's why the premise the defenders have adopted, it's simply not true. i mean let's just remember again trump was already on a recorded call before january 6th and it was apparent even from that call that trump might have criminal exposure under title 18 section 241, which is one of the statutes he was eventually charged under. it is an election fraud statute. these were not obscure issues. these were not things that people were not thinking about in realtime, arguing about an

garland told prosecutors to focus on the money. department leaders believe the best way to justify prosecuting mr.illard plotters, talking about the willard hotel, was defined financial links between them and the rioters because they thought it would be more straight forward and bless risky that a case based on untested election interference charges. look, we have the benefit of evaluating that thinking in hindsight. didn't turn out to be true but what did you think about the fact that they started by taking that approach? let's connect the money. we hear about that all the time, follow the money. >> again, these things are not mutually exclusive. that's why the premise that the offenders here have adopted, it's just simply not true. let's just remember again, trump was already on a recorded call over january 6 and it was apparent even from that call that trump might have criminal exposure under title 18, section 241, which is one of the statutes he was eventually charged under. it is an election fraud statute so these are not obscure issues. these are not things that people are not thinking about

mr. hur, for your testimony and service at department of justice. progress of the investigation and process questions. so you were appointed by attorney general garland in january of 2023; correct? >> correct. >> attorney general garland, as you know, nominated by president biden to serve. >> correct. >> during 15-month investigation, did the attorney general attempt to interfere with your investigation? >> no. did he impede your investigation in any way? >> no. >> did any member of the department of justice refuse to cooperate with your investigation? >> no. >> were you denied access to materials, witnesses, resources from attorney general garland you might have needed during the investigation? >> no. >> you submitted, i think this is right, your final report to garland on february 25 of 2024. >> correct. >> and it was released publicly three days later, on february 8, is that right? >> i believe that is true, yes. >> final report released, any of your findings redacted or changed in any way? >> no. none of the findings modified by the attorney general? >> no. >> did the attorney general issue a statement or letter attempting to describe contents of

mr. speaker, the president's cabinet. >> the cabinet led by the secretary of state blinkin. defense secretary lloyd austin, looking pale and hearty. attorney general merrick garland, you think of him as short, he is not. this is usually the last part of the process that happens before we get the president himself introduced. but yeah, it is a, it is a boisterous and happy bunch in the room. am i right, this is by being different? >> it is. it's also interesting to see who is friends, i guess, and who decides to sit next to each other. mitt romney and joe manchin looked like they were in a best friend comedy there. sitting together, and who chooses to sit with each other is interesting, too. >> i think we have low in lauren boebert and matt gaetz sitting next to each other, a critical mass thing happening there. >> what could go wrong? >> claire mccaskill watching this with us, are we misreading the vibes here? >> it's always pretty much like a little gabfest, as you wait around and wait around and wait around that i will say, there's work being done here. you saw schumer and pelosi, and schumer was doing his gesturing like going to win this point i'm going to mak