mr. gary mae, a back and forth with the u.s. attorney's office, and the question is, mr. mae, while you were at upper big branch mine was there a practice of providing when inspector were comes to the mine? answer, yes. question, can you tell us from beginning to end how these warnings were communicated? answer it would start usually someone came through the guard shack. there would be a phone call and it would be announced over the radio, "company on property." from that point it would be received at the office. from the office, call underground, let them know we had "company." skipping forward in this discussion, question, how often at upper big branch mine were warning given to inspectors, that inspectors were coming on the property? answer, a lot. question, most of the time? answer, yes. question, was the upper big branch mine able to avoid citations from msha because of the practice of advanced warning of inspections? answer, yes. question, did you know it was -- if it was illegal to give advance notice of a mine inspection? yes, i knew it was unlawful. question, did