mr. gati: could you ask an easier one? i think what he must've had in mind -- [laughter] i think what he must've had in mind was there are certain national interests as opposed to universal moral values and humanitarian approaches. the national interest dictates by his standards, by his standard, is that these countries remain homogeneous. that is what we are talking about. they don't want anybody that is not like them. when the chancellor, as you can tell i admire, said that the refugees are welcome. anthought that there was invitation for them to come and more to come and millions to come. he did not think individual countries and the european union to embrace them and to admit them. this is the best interpretation i can give you. if you want to hear what i really think -- [laughter] mr. gati: we will talk after this session. >> this is on the record. one final question for captain lisko, i would like to hear you say a little bit more about the border control issue in europe and how the europeans are dealing with this. s

how we get ahead of this power curve and address it in a humane way and for mr. gati, on the issue of conspiracy theories, one of the kpurs conspiracy -- conspiracies or talking floated is syria is actively supporting the egress of syrian sunnis so that, one, he gets rid of a problem, and two, he can reup - repopulate those areas with very friendly peoples. thank you. >> including the christian minorities in syria, by the way. >> go ahead. >> well conspiracy theories are absolutely all over the place. there is no day when i could not read a new one. what you mentioned is just one of them. it is a habit in russia and in eastern europe to look under the rug and look for a reason other than the one that is given. now, many times this is true, i don't deny that. i also work for the u.s. government so i have some idea about what is going on as opposed to what is being said. so not all of these are fantasies. but the one that you mentioned and the one i refer to obvious will false and actually are ridiculous. if i may, jim, i would like to make a comment about the previous