mr. geissler. you want to start? mr. geissler: what i was going to let you know is the idea of the jackpine situation, a lot of that revolves around the need for replacement fires to truly manage the landscape which we do not do because of the risk when you have prescribed burns. that is why a lot of what you're seeing and the type of work being done is more cyclical and maintaining the trees at different stages. one piece i wanted to make sure it was understood is when a prescribed burn is planned, a plan is developed. it not only gives the objectives of how the burn will be occurring and what the end result needs to be, it is usually very specific on humidity, wind direction, wind speed and other. a lot of this, like you said, is making sure we do good planning and follow the plan exactly and if there are issues, even if they are minor, in addition to that, a lot of the research we have talked about throughout this hearing, i have helped to see those plans in the knowledge we have to sell them. i wanted to bring up how

mr. geissler. one area i've worked on over the years is we have allocated resources to better forestry et cetera, but for years we would do this thing called fire borrowing where we would take those resources and then we'd actually send them to fight the fires. i know we've tried to invest the issue of fire borrowing. i suspect we could do more on the forestry management site to mitigate some of these forest fires. is that correct? >> yes, sir. the fire borrowing issue was actually helped tremendously by some legislation that occurred a couple of years ago, really the emphasis right now needs to be to take that -- those dollars and really force them onto the ground and making sure that they are being put into the highest priority areas that we have. a lot of times when we're doing forest management, i call them random acts of conservation where a lot of it is kind of spread across the landscape. in prioritizing the funds, making sure that they get to the ground is something that we should all empha

mr. geissler, would you care to add to that?yes, and chief litzenberg really hit the nail on the head. it's the availability and the utilization of all of this data that is being created and making sure that we have the ability to share it across the various jurisdictions. and it has happened in some places. i can give you an example within my own state where we utilize data from federal, state and local who we have come together and are sharing it across jurisdictional boundaries to develop a forest health strategy for our state. prioritizing all of the landscapes across all jurisdictions and that is in collaboration with the u.s. forest service, state agencies and locals and it ties back to our forest health management and then we also have used it on our wildfire strategy we are building out. but it takes a lot of interagency discussions and it takes an environment where there's a shared mission on how we need to address or what the end goal should be. and that, again, much like eric said, is a lot of folks or organizations a