mr. geller, you have had a long career in regulating tobacco, working with david cancer in the 1990s, so i want to ask you questions based on your expertise. the tobacco survey results showed that 27.5% of high school kids were using e-cigarettes, and 64% of kids were using meant or mental. do those numbers sound reasonable to? you >> yes. the data also showed that 72% of school users are using flavors, and most high school users use juul, is that correct? >> yes. so, based on your entire career, going back to your work from david caterpillar, who i admire, if you're making a recommendation to the president, do you think that we should ban mint and mental? >> my recommendation in this process has been to follow the regulatory signs, and to come up with a policy that most closely aligned with what those numbers show. which is that we have an epidemic use of e-cigarettes by middle school and high school kids, they disproportionately favor flavored products and the percentage of kids that are using e-cigarettes more frequently it's also increasing. i will not go into the details of the poli