mr. geragos, when you see that text messaging expert on the stand, it makes you cringe, because we've had so many clients that have been burned by what's on their cell phone. it's interesting to see it on the other side. but sunny is right, it must be authenticated. that's a preliminary issue. before we reach whether or not it's probative or too prejudicial, we have to examine whether or not -- this is a huge issue with digital evidence. in the old days when you took a quill with a feather on it and wrote something, it's pretty clear that anderson authored it. nowadays, it's more difficult to authenticate who may have written something. e-mail. i mean you have to use some real digital evidence. a photograph, i mean, you may not know who took it or where it came from. >> mark, the defense is saying this stuff was kind of double encrypted. >> right. anderson, what is so frustrating about this is that in courtrooms, all across this country, if a prosecutor wanted this evidence in, the mother of the judge has not been born that is not going to let this stuff in. i'm telling you, i've defended

mr. zimmerman's actions that night. joining us martin family attorney benjamin crump. also joining us, jeffrey toobin and jose baez and mark geragos. jeff, let's start with you. juror b29 says that zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on either second degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words. does that make sense to you legally speaking? >> well, it certainly is a garbled reading of the law. the issue wasn't intention. the issue wasn't zimmerman's intention. it was whether he was legitimately exercising self-defense or not. but look, she's not a lawyer. that's not a big difference. what i think is important to say just at the outset is that second thoughts by jurors are fairly common, and they have no legal significance. you can't get a verdict set aside. you can't change -- you can't get a retrial. nothing can happen as a result of a juror saying i wish i had voted another way. >> benjamin crump, let me play another part of the interview with abc. listen to this. >> i know that you've heard some peop