mr. giannetta, is it self-explanatory to you. existing safeguards have ceased to function. >> yes. >> and i'll let both of you weigh in on this one because it is tough. what does the word "immediately" mean. >> without delay. >> it does. is there another definition you are familiar with. >> i think that is consistent. >> and so there is a regulatory obligation if new or unanticipated threats are discovered by other the government or the contractor or if existing safeguards shall seize to function the discoverer shall immediately bring the attention to the -- bring it to the attention of the other party. and i heard about a march 2013 breach. did i hear that right. >> yes. >> and when did you bring that to the attention of congress. >> i would have to bring that back to you. i don't have it in my notes. >> well do you know if it was immediately? >> i would -- i would expect that it was immediate. >> let's find out. miss seymour do you know? >> nos., i don't. but i certainly don't think we immediately notified a contractors of a br

mr. rob giannetta is the chief information officer at usis. all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. so if you will please all rise and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. let the record reflect that all witnesses answered in the affirmative. in order to allow time for discussion, please limit your verbal testimony to five minutes and obviously your entire written statement will be made part of the record. we will start first with the director of the office of personnel management ms. archuleta first. you're now recognized for five minutes. >> chairman ranking member cummings and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before you again today. i understand and i share the concerns and the frustration of federal employees and those affected by the intrusions into opm's i.t. systems. although opm has taken significant steps to meet our responsibility, to secure personnel data of t

mr. rob giannetta is the chief information officer at usis. all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. so if you will please all rise and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. let the record reflect that all witnesses answered in the affirmative. in order to allow time for discussion, please limit your verbal testimony to five minutes and obviously your entire written statement will be made part of the record. we will start first with the director of the office of personnel management, ms. archuleta first. you're now recognized for five minutes. >> chairman, ranking member cummings and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before you again today. i understand and i share the concerns and the frustration of federal employees and those affected by the intrusions into opm's i.t. systems. although opm has taken significant steps to meet our responsibility, to secure personnel data of

mr. rob giannetta is the chief information officer at usis. all witnesses are to be sworn before they testify. so if you will please all rise and raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? thank you. let the record reflect that all witnesses answered in the affirmative. in order to allow time for discussion, please limit your verbal testimony to five minutes and obviously your entire written statement will be made part of the record. we will start first with the director of the office of personnel management ms. archuleta first. you're now recognized for five minutes. >> chairman ranking member cummings and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before you again today. i understand and i share the concerns and the frustration of federal employees and those affected by the intrusions into opm's i.t. systems. although opm has taken significant steps to meet our responsibility, to secure personnel data of t

mr. hess or giannetta? >> i would have to give that information back to you.i don't have it in my notes. perhaps ms. seymour knows. >> do you know if it was immediately? >> i would expect it was immediate. >> let's find out. ms. seymour, do you think? >> no, sir, i don't but i don't think we immediately notified the contractors of the breach to the network because he didn't have any question as to whether it was affecting them. it was to our network at the time. >> mr. hess and giannetta, is that your understanding they were under no duty to bring that to your attention? not all at once. it is your language and you are looking at the regulation, do you think you should have been notified of the march brief? >> absolutely. >> well why? i heard one person say she didn't know and the other say it was none of your business. so why should you have been notified despite the plain language of the contract? why do you think it was important you be notified? >> so we could take more appropriate actions to protect data. >> were you notified? >> i was not. >> were you no