mr. gib ner, what do we do in a situation, i understand they can request records. can they request a written response to questions? does that qualify? >> the sunshine ordinance doesn't require that type of response. >> it does basically the answer is the sunshine ordinance doesn't require to you create a document in response to a request. it only requires to you produce documents that exist. >> what is the precedent for a situation where maybe there isn't an explicit but -- if there is a quote unquote sunshine request that is not seeking records, is there an obligation to respond to say, this is not an appropriate sunshine request or follow up with some kind of question? >> under section 67.22 departments must d.c. basically work with someone who is requesting oral information. >> because -- i also underlined this and see that all of you are careful lawyers underline i'm not requesting any documents parts because this isn't sun shine or public records request. listening to mr. clark now, he could have ended up in the same place, he could have said i like record if