mr. ginsburg, the h.r. replied in letters, we received no response to date from mr. ginsburg, we regret that but that's why we're here. when the department doesn't want to work with the union and its members, we know what we have to do. what i would like to submit to the commission, what i would like to submit to the commission are documents and then walk right through them, they're important documents, we think they're self-explanatory, they don't need to be characterized by the union but we think those who are familiar with the labor liabilities, these are -- we are having grievances that have quite a bit of financial claims against this department and the city, so if we go through the package, the first item is a grievance sent by the union, it is a settlement by the rec and park back in the summer, i believe, this was due to problems to settle an eeoc lawsuit emanating from the rangers trailer of overtime, the document behind that is the overtime report, we ask you to take a close look, especially the labor representatives, we're informing you that our contract pr

mr. koester: that may be true, justice ginsburg. justice sotomayor: so do you define reasonableness -- justice kagan: you suggest that 15 or 20 would be a different case. i am wondering where you would draw the bright line. mr. koester: that's a difficult question, to draw a bright line for exactly when we would draw the line where -- where the exigency would disappear. justice sotomayor: so would the importance of the search warrant suggest, as a constitutional right, suggest that we should judge reasonableness by the people who are the least efficient or by the people who are the most reasonably efficient? mr. koester: well, justice -- justice sotomayor: meaning people, police jurisdictions. mr. koester: in -- of course, local law enforcement practices are going to vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. justice sotomayor: absolutely, but should they -- should we permit them to vary in terms of inefficiency or should we be encouraging them to vary within a reasonable range? mr. koester: well, i think prosecutors are always going to

promote parks. i will let him tell the story, phil ginsburg. [ applause ] >> thank you, luis. his alter ego, what we call each other, he is before mr. books and i am mr. park and this gentleman is mr. clean. [ laughter ] >> it's such a joy to be here and such a celebrate tory week. there has been a lot of talk this week about team and putting team before self and that is not just happening on the ballfield at at&t park, but it's happening in your city and we're so incredibly blessed to have the leadership that we have in mayor lee, board president chiu and supervisor wiener. in no time that i have been involved in the city has both the mayor and board worked together to focus on helping families thrive, through better parks, through better streets, through better libraries and our city leadership deserves such a big round of applause fortaking these steps [ applause ] i also really want to single out our partnership with mr. parks and the library. this is how cities are supposed to be. i don't know if many of you had the opportunity to come and join us at the west sunset ribbon-cutting, when we jointly opened the ortega public libr

ginsburg. probable cause is not enough. but probable cause coupled with the indisputable fact that alcohol is eliminated from the human body with every minute that passes after a drunk driver -- >> mr. koester, suppose instead of waiting two hours there were procedures in place in missouri and, indeed, across the country where it was possible to get a warrant if these circumstances within 15 or 20 minutes. would you still be saying that there is a sufficient exigency to avoid the warrant requirement? >> i think if a particular jurisdiction had perfected the warrant process to the point where they could routinely obtain search warrants in 15 minutes, i think we would have a different outcome. i think that would affect the analysis of the case. but with all due respect to the hypothetical, it is a time-consuming process to obtain search warrants. >> so why can't you do that? i mean, the only virtue i see in saying you have to go get a warrant is the officer picks up the phone. there's usually somebody on duty, a magistrate somewhere. he phones him up and says i have a drunk driver here, he's wobbling, he can't cross the center line, and he won't take a breathalyzer, i want to give hi