mr. ginsburg procedural. >> and i understand that, and i don't think that is right, and i think that tonight you can certainly, if you feel that mr. ginsburg non-willfully, and engaged in a non-willful violation of the sunshine ordinance, i don't think that you are precluded by the due process and if you think that mr. ginsburg did not violation the sunshine ordinance at all but that someone else in the rec department may have done so and i think that you could refer it back to them, and for that purpose. >> so you are saying that if we find that mr. ginsburg did not commit a violation, of the sunshine ordinance, >> right. >> and we are referring it back to the sunshine task force, and they can't inquire into whether or not giving mr. ginsburg notice that they are considering him as being a potential defendant and you say, no you can't do that, because the ethics commission has already said that you didn't do anything wrong. >> so we don't have any record, that is the reason why we are saying in a sense, that you can't hold mr. ginsburg, it is because the task force did not have a record. >> and so i think that that if you feel that there is an insuffic