mr. giuliani at those locations they were turned away and told he wasn't there. unted authorities online this past friday saying if arizona authorities can't find me be tomorrow morning they must dismiss the indictment. sort of a weird dare. he's not waldo. less than two hours after that tweet, arizona authorities did indeed find giuliani outside of his 80th birthday party where they served him the papers. today in his virtual court appearance, giuliani claimed he did not resist being served at all and claims it was all a misunderstanding. the judge, however, did not buy it and he hit giuliani with a $10,000 bond to secure his next appearance in person. giuliani now has 30 days to get to arizona and get booked into the system or forfeit $10,000 he likely can't afford to lose. if that doesn't wake rudy giuliani up to the fact that he actually has to comply with law enforcement, well, maybe his coffee will. we'll be right back. coffee will. we'll be right back. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ i don't ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not

mr. giuliani. i'm going to get the times that the not guilty arraignment. could you please state your name? >> rudolph giuliani. >> the prosecutors explain the lengths to which they had to go to serve giuliani with his summons to appear, today. >> my agent spent about 4 to 5 hours outside his manhattan condo. the doorman stopped them on arrival, and told them, two days earlier, but a note came down that no one was allowed up to mr. giuliani's office. on may 2nd we sent certified mail to mr. giuliani's manhattan address. that was with the summons. it has still not been returned. he posted on friday night, as you can see it is a picture from his 80th birthday party in palm beach, florida. we had two agents in florida at the time, who were outside the party waiting to see if he would leave to serve him a summons. about an hour after that post, the agents saw him leaving and then served him a summons. >> admitted rudy's protestations, the judge ruled he must now appear in person in 30 days and post a $10,000 bond. >> i consider this a complete embarrassment to t

mr. giuliani asked who they were. e, they identified themselves as agents of the arizona attorney general's office, adding, quote, and you've been served. so exactly 74 minutes after rudy giuliani taunted the arizona attorney general on twitter, you can't serve me, the attorney general was able to post this. quote, the final defendant was served moments ago. rudy giuliani, nobody is above the law. in that arizona case, at least ten of the defendants are going to be arraigned in front of a judge tomorrow. some in person, some by zoom. now that rudy giuliani has been served, he, too, can advance to the arraignment stage of his criminal proceedings in that state, as of tonight, we're unsure if rudy giuliani will be among the group of defendants who is going to be arraigned tomorrow, but i mean, like you, i will just be watching this space. >>> all right, that's going to do it for me for now. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. >>> and you saw what happened to a highly respected lawyer today, bob costello, wow

mr. giuliani asked who they were. attorney general's office adding, quote, and you've been served. so exactly 74 minutes after rudy giuliani taunted the arizona attorney general on twitter, you can't serve me, the attorney general was able to post this, quote, the final defendant was served moments ago. rudy giuliani, nobody is above the law. in that arizona case, at least ten of the defendants are going to be arraigned in front of a judge tomorrow. some of them in person, some of them by zoom. now that rudy giuliani has been served, he too can advance to the arraignment stage of his criminal proceedings in that state. as of tonight we are unsure if rudy giuliani will be among the group of defendants who's going to be arraigned tomorrow, but i mean, like you, i will just be watching his face. i will just be watching his face. ft for zoe? don't panic. with etsy we can find the perfect gift, and send her a preview right away. i love this. thanks guys. ooh, that's a relief. it sure is great to know when something's coming

mr. giuliani. thank you for being here. >> thank you. basically, there was the -- diplomacy secretary of state. i was his right hand. and basically the first person in ukraine to not only dig up, validate, search whatever needed to be done to -- once i would receive any information i received, i would then meet with him, john solomon and other members of the team like pete sessions and -- to discuss what we have found. at that point, giuliani would go to the white house and share it with the president. that with the line of communication. >> you said earlier in your testimony that members of the committee and the republican leadership should have known before smirnov was indicted that this information was fabricated about president biden. can you talk about that? >> i think they should have known -- the did know. they knew exactly what was going on. they knew the evidence was not there, the information was coming from left and right field and being pushed straight to the halls of conference without zero investigation. >> thank you. my ti

mr. giuliani? thank you for being here. >> thank you, congressman. so basically it was a shadow diplomacy run by donald trump and giuliani, where giuliani was the shadow secretary of state. i was his right hand man, and the point person to dig up, validate, search, to find some corruption against joe or hunter biden to be able to present. once i would receive whatever information i received, i would then meet with him, john solomon, other members of the team like pete sessions and derek carrvy or other people there to discuss what we found. at that point from there giuliani would go to the white house and share with the president. and that was the line of communication. >> you said also, in your testimony that members of this committee, republican leadership should have known, should have known before smirnov was indicted that this information was fabricated about president biden. could you talk about that? >> congressman, not that they should have known, they did know. they knew exactly what was going on. they knew it was not vetted. this information

mr. giuliani, i'm just calling the case. >> that's how court started for rudy giuliani is arraignment in the arizona fake electors case. boning in his not guilty plea, giuliani represented himself striking a defiant and familiar tone consider this incitement and complete embarrassment to the american legal system. i don't want to mute you, but i need to move on. >> giuliani was among 11 or reigned in this hearing 18 overall are indicted in the case, which traces back to this moment 2020 electors i'm arizona, when fake electors gathered in a room shortly after the 2020 election, signing documents that donald trump won arizona, even though joe biden one there now charged in arizona with conspiring to overturn the 2020 election? including former arizona republican party chair kelly ward and her husband and christina bobb, current election integrity council at the rnc and former personality on conservative outlet oan all pleading not guilty the arraignment went as as-planned and we'll deal with the case what did not go as planned? getting rudy giuliani to actually appear for the arraignment.

mr. giuliani is someplace in the west palm beach area of florida if that is so and his associates are refusing to surrender him. >> there's a possibility that they're going to add serve a warrant on him in west palm beach and he's going to get booked. >> and until he agrees to extradition to arizona, he's going to be jailed and the question's going to be how long he wants to stay jailed rather than surrender himself in arizona. so it could be very interesting to see mr. giuliani being booked into jail and residing there for a period of time my understanding is he's in financial difficulties, so the chance of making a bond are pretty slim interesting, very interesting. >> the reports are these been traveling between the west palm beach and new york and they can't find him right now. we'll see what happens on that front mic. i want to turn quickly to the hush money trial that's unfolding in new york. how do you think michael cohen fared yesterday compared to the first day of cross-examination i thought it was a devastating de for the state's case. >> you took the key witness who basically tries

mr. giuliani, a party goh claimed to cnn that two agents from the arizona attorney general's office, quotemed giuliani as he was on his way out so that party adding to cnn quote many of the guests were visibly upset. >> i should know daleny for their part, giuliani's spokesman confirmed that he was served, but maintained that he was unfazed by the ordeal and it happened is as leaving that party, giuliani is expected to be a rain tomorrow and phoenix on charges related to alleged for its to overturn the 2020 election results in that state. >> and given that, i like to get straight to the source tonight with my next guess, the arizona attorney general, kris mayes and attorney general is great to have you here because giuliani obviously was one of the last of the 18 defendants to be served. you're the last one i should note. can you just walk us through exactly how it happened on friday night? >> sure. katelyn. >> yeah, he actually was absolutely the the last of the 18 defendants here in arizona to be served. >> all 17 others had accepted service quietly professionally the way this usually ha

mr. giuliani and that would be divulged to president trump. it confirmed exactly that. showing that robert costello is a back channel to trump and rudy giuliani as michael cohen claimed. joining me now are kristy greenberg and duncan levin. thank you for being here tonight. there is a lot of specific legal stuff i want to get to. but was it a good idea for the defense to end with robert costello? >> it was a horrible idea. it help to bolster michael cohen's credibility. anything that makes michael cohen smell like a rose, it's a bad idea for the defense. but these emails are oozing with slime. :said he wanted to be my lawyer, but i didn't trust him. i thought he was working with donald trump, and today we get emails with they are pretty explicit. we have to make it appear that we are not acting under the instruction of rudy giuliani or the present. and the defense knows that they exist. why would you call this guy. putting aside all the antics where he was blatantly disrespectful. it is maddening. but all those things, the style and the substance was a total train neck f

mr. giuliani used. >> objection. >> move to strike.>> stricken.tricken means that the one word answer, yes, cannot be used as evidence by the jury. robert costello did not like the objections. that's not unusual for workers as witnesses to have their own opinion about the objections. but it's very unusual for them to in any way voice that opinion about the objections on the witness stand. attorney michael cohen had feelings about the objections when he was on the witness stone but he behaved in a professional way for lawyer testifying under oath in court. that's not a comment on michael cohen's credibility. simply his manner as a witness, which was fully respectful of the process. fully respectful of the judge at all times and fully respectful of donald trump's criminal defense lawyer cross- examining him, to which michael cohen's most frequent answer was yes or repeatedly. and here is what we all saw and heard something we've never seen before. little did we know there was more to come after this. question, i'd like to take a look at the second p

mr. giuliani i don't want to mute you, but i will move on. bond i will set a secured appearance bond rather than a cash bond. >> you set a bond of $10,000? >> i did, secured appearance bond. >> and executive -- and investigative reporter for the new york times was inside the courtroom today and joins me now. describe what it was like inside the courtroom. >> until they got to giuliani it was uneventful. it was like a normal arraignment. they might've spent five minutes on each defendant, guilty or not guilty, and then the court would tell them when their next hearings were. it was proceeding like normal and then it got to giuliani and things got much more interesting. the prosecutors had not asked for a bond for any of the other defendants and they had not asked any other defendant to show up in person. these arraignments today, several were virtual, so it was quite unusual. they were clearly aggrieved by giuliani's behavior over the past several weeks and they felt like he was basically taunting the arizona justice system. >> the prosecutor

mr. giuliani? thank you for being here. >> thank you, congressman. >> i was his right hand and basically the point person to not only dig up and validate and search whatever needs to be done to try to some corruption against joe or hunter biden to be able to present. once i would receive whatever information i received i would then meet with him, john solomon and other members of the team to discuss what we found. add to that point, he would then go to the white house and to share with the president and that was the line of communication. >> you said also in your testimony that members of the committee and the republican leadership should have known before smirnov was invited that this information was fabricated. can you talk about that? >> not that they should have known but they would have known what was going on. it was anywhere from left and right field and being pushed straight to the halls without. >> my time is expired. >> before i recognize mr. palmer, i'd like to enter into the record the

mr. giuliani. cr-2024, 006 -- >> jimmy: get that man some flomax!his prostate is the size of a snow globe! [ laughter ] there's so much madness out there right now. fox news, all i can figure is they must think joe biden is doing a good job because they're now at the point where they're just completely making stuff up. >> when he puts out these videos his social media team puts it out of him, there should be a stroke warning for how many jump cuts they have. i imagine it takes 20 to 30 takes to get one sentence at a time. this is embarrassing. the left knees this, and that's why i firmly believe joe will not be the nominee in november were there all of this is testing the waters for when they swap him out for gavin newsom. wait and watch. the calls for him to step down are going to intensify in the next couple of months. >> maybe joe should identify as gavin newsom. >> jimmy: good one, j.w. [ laughter ] but conspiracy or not, this is an interesting theory. one that seems to be shared by many in the republican party. even though it makes almost no se

mr. giuliani at the time had a very close relationship and was spending a tremendous amount of time withr. trump. cohen, he said this would be a great way to have a back channel to the president to make sure you're still good and still secure. we're hearing a lot more from cohen about other people, like in this testimony today, about jeff sessions, robert costello, rudy giuliani. maya, what is the prosecution trying to do, and is there any problem with bringing all of these new players into the conversation before the jury? >> yeah, my guess is what prosecutors are trying to do is really underscore, i think misty said this earlier, this point that michael cohen has changed from the guy who was protecting donald trump to the guy who is now being honest about what he did with and for donald trump, and at donald trump's direction. and that this is part of the color around why and the power of it all and what kept him loyal in one period and then shifts him in another. if you remember, hope hicks also testified about how michael cohen and how trump describes michael cohen as a guy seeking to

mr. giuliani, including traveling to his new york apartment giuliani is scheduled to appear before a judgen one week if he is ever found in new york, the other major trial is the bribery and corruption case against democratic senator in under bob menendez of new jersey. after two days of jury selection, the judge expects a jury to be seated tomorrow prosecutors are accusing senator menendez of accepting thousands of dollars and gold bars and a mercedes and weapons to from a foreign government, among other things. in our beauty is in the eye of the beholder lead we present without comment, the first official portrait of britain's king charles, the third since his coronation, apparently after he massacred a small village, you don't get the full effect on tv. it's over eight feet tall and six feet wide and its frame, the artist jonathan, you says aim was to communicate charles is deep humanity okay, the world lead. sounds like this equal to moby dick, a 50 foot yacht sailing and moroccan waters near the strait of gibraltar has been sunk by wales orca's to be exact, better known as killer whal

mr. giuliani. >> are agents had traveled to new york city to try to serve him you are not allowed in his building there where he lives. we stayed there for two days. we mailed him a letter. we we made phone calls and ultimately, we had to send agents down to florida where he went most recently to serve him. it just happened to be friday night and it just happened to be apparently on his 80th birthday so 11 expected to appear here in court, half of them expected to appear virtually among that virtual appearance group will be rudy giuliani. we are told although kait, that he will have to get his mug shot taken, as well as being fingerprinted with his local authorities, kate see what happens now. >> good to see young. thank you. so president biden slamming the international criminal court, moving as it moves to charge and tried to arrest the prime minister and defense minister of israel. why biden? and it's calling the charges outrageous. and scarlett johansson is threatening legal action now, after she says chatgpt is new ai voice sounds way too much like her so trump hush money trial gave

mr. giuliani's behalf. >> phil, i'm just curious, in terms of the politics of this case, i know we're getting into the weeds on testimony and who they're calling and the nitty-gritty on certain phone calls and when they were happening, and when they weren't happening, what might have been discussed. the larger picture, though, and not whether this case is going to turn out to be a conviction for donald trump or not, but what it might possibly mean for the election. what is your sense of whether this is landing or whether people are paying attention at all? >> well, just one thing to keep in mind at the outset of all of this is so many americans have fixed views of donald trump. like the universe of voters who are truly persuadable here who might have their opinions about trump changed based on this trial is very very small, and then you have to wonder how many of them are really paying attention to the hour by hour turns in this saga here. we'll have a clearer picture after there's a verdict. we might have a sense from interviewing voters and focus groups in key states to see whether the verd

today again trying to paint costello is a trump-allied emissary dispatched by rudy giuliani to prevent cohen from flipping on mr. trump. confronted with emails suggesting he was frustrated. cohen refused to hire him, including one where he wrote, quote, cohen, quote, continues to slow play us and the president. is he totally nuts? he is playing with the most powerful man on the planet. costello suggested monday cohen's entire story, that trump plotted to protect his stormy daniels to protect his campaign was all a lie. telling jurors that michael cohen said numerous times that president trump knew nothing about those payments, and that cohen said he did this on his own. costello only one of two witnesses called by the defense team. the testimony all told running just over 90 minutes. >> there is no crime. there is no crime. it's a kangaroo court. there has never been anything like this that i've ever seen. >> reporter: the judge working with both sides for hours today to hash out critical instructions jurors will receive next week to aid their deliberations on the 34 counts mr. trump faces for allegedly falsify

were in addition to pressuring and withholding aid to ukraine, rudy giuliani and the trump organization as mr. parnas has established, planted this story in the media and here we are four years later as they have dredged a backup and are planting it back in the media using congress. using this committee. and using a baseless impeachment supported by donald trump's own allies on this committee to push that information out. as members on this committee have traffic in false evidence that was planted by a russian operative to the fbi and is now in jail for that. all of this is in the service of propping up the criminal enterprise for which donald trump is at the top and has already been twice impeached. rudy giuliani and others have been exposed as they continue to traffic in russian disinformation that not only props up donald trump but it props up vladimir putin himself and his goals back in russia and in ukraine. so i just want to point out here that once again as i said when we had a false impeachment hearing a few months ago that once again -- >> time is expired. time is expired. >> donald

message for rudy costello testifies after reading the email that gold directed him to call giuliani on his behalf, mr. cohen making constant object a complaints about rudy giuliani and what he was saying to the press, castello said as he began to say, cohen was also complaining about his lawyers not being paid by trump at this point in 2018, roshan sustained an objection from hoffinger, another prosecution objection. sustained. >> roshan than cautioned costello, rob castello, the witness to again, only answers the questions. >> he's asked. again, merchan says to the witness, please just answer the question. so here are the questions. did you ever put any pressure on michael cohen to do anything? >> no. >> did you ever pressure him to interact with rudy giuliani in a certain way? >> no. did you care about president trump's interests while speaking to cohen beauvais asks know, castello says, my obligation was to michael cohen. >> trump is paying close attention and is looking in the direction of the witness stand. shen wu. the objections here why is the prosecution objecting so aggressively? what exact

the station said giuliani had repeatedly violated a ban on discussing discredited claims about the 2020 presidential election. as mr. trump's personal attorney, giuliani was a key figure in the former president's attempts to overturn the 2020 election results. giuliani called the ban a clear violation of free speech . tennis superstar novak djokovic says he is fine after he was accidentally hit on the head by a metal water bottle. this happened at the italian open in rome on friday. djokovic was signing autographs. watch this after his second round win, when that bottle fell from above the world's number one player you see there, curling up on the ground in pain. the bottle apparently slipped out of a fan's backpack, who was leaning over a rail just trying to get his autograph. a tournament spokesperson said that djokovic did not, fortunately, need stitches and it sounds like he's doing okay. check it out. he this morning just posted on a video on x a short time ago wearing a bike helmet as he arrived at the italian open today, writing i came prepared. glad he's okay. that was the news. how about a boost? yeah, her

communication started to go through rudy giuliani because they did not want anyone to notice me with him because i was in ukraine doing the stuff. >> is it fair to say mr. parnas you were no longer allowed to interact with trump to create a buffer with trump and giuliani. >> i was told that. i was told that. you are going to stop going to the events, private events while you are doing this. >> i see. >> so, despite trump's efforts to insulate himself from associating with you as you sought evidence for biden you maintained your contacts with individuals in trump's inner most circle including donald trump jr, correct? >> absolutely, yes. >> the saying goes, a leopard can not change his spots, you are a prime example of trump welcoming people into his circle and creating distance, or appearance from it as he relies on them to conduct improper acts. now trump demanded biden be impeached in attempt to win the 2024 election by promoting the same lies about biden, the rumors in russia's propaganda effort to influence efforts and undermind ukraine during a vicious russian invasion, i yield to mr. goldman. >> thank you very much. i want to get back to this pho

giuliani. so rudy was representing trump in the mueller investigation. this time mr. etc. seemed. it's like a bad mob movie, but we had a sense from the outside this was happening because basted on the things trump was saying in interviews and twitter. it's amazing to hear it in cohen's testimony. >> it's flat out obstruction. and the only thing that surprised me is cohen said this made him feel better. when i read it, i was thinking of de niro saying you g down there, there's so the coats for you and he knows he's going to get whacked. it seems so clearly through costello, michael cohen said costello was sleazy and whatever. you can imagine how sleazy he was. it struck me as being complete ly mob driven from the start. it was flat out obstruction. >> this also -- this testimony isn't necessarily about trump being in the room for the documents. but it gets at the panic. the risk, the flashing red light that cohen represents once he's cooperating. could you see the jury during any of this? >> i think that that sleep well tonight, your friends in high places, when that

giuliani, who advised cohen before a falling out. costello describing cohen as, quote, manic at a 2018 meeting after cohen's home and office were raided by the fbi. while cohen is now implicating mr. trump in an alleged crime, costello testifying cohen told him back then, "i swear to god, bob, i don't have anything on donald trump." directly refuting cohen's testimony that mr. trump directed him to pay off stormy daniels before the 2016 election. "michael cohen said numerous times that president trump knew nothing about those payments and that he did this on his own," costello testifying. the judge repeatedly sustaining prosecution objections leading to a heated scolding of costello after he audibly muttered "ridiculous" and "jeez." the judge at one point saying, "are you staring me down?" and clearing the courtroom. all of it after cohen earlier revealed he stole tens of thousands of dollars from his former client. cohen, who once said he would take a bullet for mr. trump, today admitting he duped his old boss into reimbursing him more money than he was owed. cohen saying that he gave a tech company $20,000 in a brown paper bag and pocketed the rest. tens of thousands of dollars

mr. herschel, that the last thing. rudy giuliani has allowed to say alan dershowitz says lots of anthony weiner is let say, roger al-zeitoun a lot to say. so yeah, i've had clients by the way, i've had a lot of all those suffering the world. i think your heart could break for some others say it was taught in that position to have made his choices yes. i agree with you. but when you have a guy like that saying something that's ridiculous on two levels, there's never been a gag order like that before. that's ridiculous. that's not true and i can testify because the gag order that's elementary knowledge. i mean, my high-school son knows that you are allowed to testify. that's not true. so you sit there like fish mac kind of as you're okay, mr. president. but i mean, those words to come out of his mouth are ridiculous. >> i think the other thing just to merge the two story lines here trump fundamentally is always trying to break down the institutions any system, any procedure, any process that is unfavorable to him as fundamentally unfa

mr. costello forgot to tell everyone that he sent a illegal bill to michael cohen where there was no engagement letter he was part of a rudy giuliani conduit to mr. trump because he referred to the big guy taking care of you. >> it was all about bringing michael and keeping him in the tent mr. castellows testimony is what it is, but to refer to mr. castells testimony as having credibility and then challenged michael cohen's credibility when he's corroborated to lateral issues planning. i'm not giving anybody credibility i'm reporting to you what happened in the courtroom and i'm asking you to respond to it. okay. this is that is a fact that happened. >> all right well, excuse me. i you have a right to ask the question and thank you. answered by saying that mr. costello doesn't have a lot of credibility in light of the fact that he never had an engagement letter sen. michael, a bill, and was working for rudy giuliani. so in my opinion, and i could be wrong. i don't believe mr. mr. costello, we'll have a lot of weight in the jury room compared to the documents speaking for themselves testimony being what it is. you don't have michael

today again trying to paint costello as a trump allied emissary dispatch by rudy giuliani to prevent cohen from flipping on mr. trump. confronted with emails suggesting he was frustrated, cohen refused to hire him, including one where he wrote: continues to flow play us and the president. is he totally nuts? he is playing with the most powerful man on the planet. costello suggested monday cohen's entire story, the former president trump wanted to silence stormy daniels to protect his campaign was all a lie. castillo telling jurors that michael cohen said numerous times that president trump knew nothing about those payments and that cohen said he did this on his own. costello only one of two witnesses called by the defense team. the testimony, all told, running just over 90 minutes. >> it is a kangaroo court. there's never been anything like this that i've ever seen. >> reporter: the judge working with both sides for hours today to hash out critical instructions jurors will receive next week to aid their deliberations on the 34 counts mr. trump basis for allegedly falsifying his business records. the outcome l

giuliani. their arraignments are scheduled for the coming weeks. all of the defendants and mr. trump are also being charged with similar crimes in georgia. well, a call tonight for supreme court justice samuel alito to recuse himself for some cases. this comes after a report that alito flew the american flag upside down at his house about ten days after the january six riot at the capitol. the upside down flag has become a symbol of the so-called stop the steal movement. but that was a rallying cry for mr. trump's supporters, who believe trump was the true winner of the election. today, key democrats, including the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, urged justice alito to recuse himself from cases related to the 2020 election. they believe he has shown bias on the topic. alito says his wife hung the flag upside down after a confrontation with a neighbor. well a big shakeup at openai, the artificial intelligence developer, dissolved its super alignment team that focuses on the risk of ai. earlier this week, two big names left the company, including the co-founder and ch

giuliani that nonpayment was becoming an issue. cohen, yes, sir. did you have any doubt it was you who initiated that communication with mr. costello. i don't recall if i asked him to reach out to giuliani other than i expressed to him. around the time your relationship ends, cohen, yes, sir, and blanche, you met a couple of times. privileged communication. where are they going with this, misty? >> i think they're trying to undercut the prosecution's testimony, which basically set this up as michael cohen was communicating with costello as this conduit to donald trump. there was this whole link in the chain with rudy giuliani being in the middle, and this was how he was going to communicate with trump about the legal trouble he was in. we heard that on the direct. from a defense perspective, and i agree with danny, i think they should just put the pens down and start to refocus on what matters in this case, and that's the legal issues about whether an nda can be violative in these facts and circumstances. i don't think they're going to. >> can you repeat that again. >> an nda, untouched money is not dispositive, it's not necessary il

mr costello as a bit of a back channel of comms for cohen while he was under investigation. in effect somebody who can relay messages to than president trump by way of his attorney rudy giulianiw costello today said he had recently received a call from mr trump's lead attorney to ask if he would be called as witness. he told cbs maybe. the plot thickens, trace. >> trace: it does thicken, kevin corke live in dc, thank you. let's bring in the former dod chief of staff under trump kash patel. great to have you on the show. as kevin was talking about bob costello, a former legal adviser to michael cohen, former federal prosecutor and he testified at a house hearing today about what cohen knew about trump. the soundbite is 31 seconds, a little long but it's worth a listen and i will get your take. >> the way this works is, if you have truthful information about donald trump, that's clearly what they are looking for, i can have all of your legal problems solved by the end of the week. 's response? i swear to god, bob, i don't have anything on donald trump. i said michael i want you to think carefully about this. i probably came back to this subject ten or 20 times during the two we

giuliani, who advised cohen. he was described as manic. cohen is implicating mr. trump and an alleged crime. costello testified that cohen told him, i don't have anything on donald trump. directly refuting the testimony that he was directed to pay off stormy daniels. michael cohen said numerous times president trump knew nothing about it and he did it on his own. the judge repeatedly sustaining objections leading to a heated scolding. the judge at one point saying are you staring me down q >> he had stolen tens of thousands of dollars. today admitting he duped his boss into reimbursing more money. he gave a tech company $20,000 in a brown paper bag and pocketed the rest. tens of thousands of dollars more. todd lamb saying you stole from the organization. later, he said he stole the money because we had not received a large enough bonus. the defense also suggesting cohen profited in other ways. pointing to the fact that he raked in over $4 million in consulting agreements while also serving as personal attorney is the defense that cohen is cashing in as a critic , making over $3 million on tw

mr. trump's former lawyer rudy giuliani who evaded prosecutors for weeks as they attempted to serve his courtummons. it was ordered to place a $10,000 bail bond. this is joe marie in arizona. republican line you are next up on open forum. >> good morning pedro i would like to talk about the guest you had on previously, that lied about everything about trump and biden. his argument was how could we elect a president who had documents which president trump had permission to have them. we know that joe biden had them first for how many years. 30 or 40 as senator, as vice president. we know for a fact that he shared the information and these people are like blind. are we that stupid that we don't know that the only reason why biden is not in trouble is because he's elderly and incompetent to stand trial. but he can be president of the united states. really? we all know that the man is ill, demented and that's a big problem. the fact that the republicans and trump doesn't want that senate bill for the border, that is -- what about hr to that the house passed that had everything in it to secure the

mr. trump's allies in arizona. we can go to cbs news senior white house and political correspondent ed o'keefe in arizona following this. great to see you. this is the first time rudy giulianid in court for his arraignment. tell us what happens. >> he only appeared virtually, phoning it in from wherever he was to this courtroom in phoenix to answer to charges he is part of a scheme involving 17 other republican leaders charged with fraud, forgery and conspiracy to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential elections in arizona. it is a collection of arizona-based republican leaders and trump aligned activists and aides. the former mayor is one of them, mark meadows is another, an attorney named john eastman, pushing the theory of the case most strongly. and a woman who oversees the election integrity, the republican national committee those charged. bottom line, the democratic attorney general of arizona said they tried to flaunt the rule of arizona ands. it is a case not unlike we are seeing in michigan, georgia, nevada and new mexico. a collection of republicans upset with, concerned about results of elections, trying to put forth their own slate of electors to the ele

mr. mcconney or even maybe a michael cohen in full. but they certainly know rudy giuliani what's the impact of even having him be discussed in this way well, i think one of the biggest issues here and this equally applies for the prosecution and the defense is that it is head-spinning. the number. i mean, you just started naming people right? there are so many characters to the story to keep we track of. >> and so how are we expecting the jurors to keep track of that? >> and one of the jobs of a litigate or right of a trial attorney is to make sure that your story is understandable to the jury, that they can keep track of who all these players are. so yes, they may very well know who rudy giuliani is outside of the courtroom. but what is his role here? how are the prosecutors helping fit this into the narrative? and what's the defense going to do with that? and so part of this is just what are we doing to assist these jurors to actually make a decision at the end of the de and part of what my concern is for both sides is really thinking thanks how are you going to help the